chris heff

Salamanca Bills

The Jets fan base is Long Island. You have to drve through Manhattan to get to NJ.

I don't understand that either.

I'm kind of sad that this thread didn't spiral out of control, like the 0-16 thread did.

Or people who are trying to prove their the smartest guy in the room.

Ok put Bledsoe back in that means your success rate is 58%..

I would like to go on record that I am enjoying this discussion. It is a rainy humid day in South FL. I agree that the LG position was a mess. I wasn't for over paying Levitre, but what the hell was plan B? My point is Whaley couldn't fix everything. I don't remember there being any FA worth a damn. So who and where should he have drafted somebody? It's funny that you mention Knox and Polian, earlier you mentioned Levy. When Polian hired Levy the general reaction was who? I wrote in an earlier post that this teams biggest problem had been Ralph Wilson, who let Knox walk and fired Polian.

Ok, how should he have done that? Drafted OL over Woods or Alonso? Who was available in rounds three through seven? What FA should they have picked up? Demanded that they sign Levitre?

Knoll benched Bradshaw in favor of Joe Gilliam and Grant traded Tarkenton. Not exactly recipes for success.

By his own admission, since Kelly retired, he has been wrong as often as right (I threw out Bledsoe). He would have been better off just predicting they would all fail.

So the difference in YPA for Kemp vs Bradshaw is .3 which is one foot. So 12 inches is the reason one is a franchise QB and one is not. Wow, how simple!

Do you really believe that Buddy Nix was making those decisions? How do you think that transpired? "Hey you guys I'm going to pick a new HC and draft the QB of the future and then retire, so good luck."

First I don't think the plan was to start Manuel in game one. So Whaley takes over a team with no coach, no QB. A bad group of WRs, OL, LB, secondary are shaky or lacking in depth at the very least. He should have fixed all that.

You kind of cooked the books by just using the AFC East as an example. There have been 19 QBs that started in multiple SBs of those at least two may or may not be franchise QBs (Morton and Theismann). Then of the remains QBs with SB starts there is about 20 guys that weren't franchise QBs. So almost half of SB starting QBs weren't of franchise caliber.

So after almost two decades of this franchise being a mess, it should have been fixed in a year?

I don't understand being a fan of a team and hoping they lose. I don't understand hoping that players or coaches fail just to be right. I've been a Bills fan pretty much from the beginning. I never, never root for them to lose. I never root for failure from anyone associated with this team. I'm not delusional, I know when the team is a mess. It's hard to be optimistic some times, like when Levy is named GM and Jauron is named HC. We all pretty much knew that wasn't going to work out, but I didn't wish for failure. I have long believed the problem with the Bills came down to one individual and that was Ralph Wilson. Prior to that team of the 90s Ralph was not considered to be a good owner. That team was built by Polian, who became GM by default. Ralph Wilson was instrumental in building the NFL of today, but a good owner? No. The amount of bone headed moves are too numerous to list. When Ralph relinquest controll to Ross Branden and what subsiqently happened gave me more hope than I had for decades. Whaley becoming GM and the hiring of Marrone was completely un-Wilson like. Yes I know that the bean counters stayed. No one knows how this is going to turn out. There will be new ownership. I hope that Whaley and Marrone have enough success that the new owner doesn't feel the need to blow the whole thing up. I think that blowing it up would be a set back.

The only championships the Bills ever won were in the old AFL in 1964 and 1965.. The helmets were white. They changed to the red helmets in an effort the help Joe Ferguson throw less interceptions.

I hope Dombrowski is our punter, just so the announcers can point out that he went to Harvard. That never gets old.

Wait, what? Somebody could move the Bills?

Ralph was adamant about the Miami thing.

Willie "Satellite" Totten that's whom. Willie was the replacement QB in1987. Willie was also a four year starter at Mississippi Valley State, he had a pretty good receiver.

Willie Totten

I don't hate EJ, I think he was a rookie, being told to be careful.

I'm glad I'm not the only one that thought this.

I felt from preseason that Manuel was aiming the ball. In crunch time, specifically two minute drills he stopped aiming. It seemed to me that Hackett had him so worried about turn overs that he was tentative. When he stoped thinking just played he was much better.