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Me personally, I hope we dump Peters and the sooner the better, if for no other reason than I am tired of hearing about him and his whining and his holdout. He isn't now and never will be worth what he is asking and his work habits and dedication are far below his physical talents, and that will keep him from ever being worthy of a Pro Bowl selection. Note I said worthy, unlike last season where he would have beent he last LT to go to the Pro Bowl based on performance.
Gotta agree with your statement, the following... "and his work habits and dedication are far below his physical talents..." at least for the present. Not saying it was like that in the past when he was pushing but I'm thinking those days are done, ESPECIALLY if he gets a big big contract.
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Maybe there has been some headway made in the situation and Jackson feels the organization is working on getting him a fair deal in his eyes. That could be the reason he's shown up as well, especially in light of the Lynch suspension being handed down. Pretty sure they reassured him that he will be fairly compensated.
Remind you of Evans and Stroud?
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Lots of good stuff to talk about.
1) Jason Peters, my view is that he won't get traded either. I may be wrong, and maybe I'm hoping, but I believe he won't.
Gotta say I hope you're wrong here. IMO the guy has worn out his welcome in Buffalo and may not be the player that some think he is.
2) Parrish, I do believe he will get traded. Regardless of what other posters think, he is expendable, McKelvin, McGee and Jackson can take care of the PR and KR at an above average level. Also parrishes values as a WR has been disappointing to say the least.
McKelvin and McGee both starters on the D and, well, touchy to replace the top PR in the league and in Bills history.
3) JP Losman, I think it is anybody's guess where he will end up. On the MegaCheap!!
Who cares?¿?¿?¿?¿?
4) Donte Whitner, well, if we don't apply pressure on the QB, I wouldn't expect too much more than what we've seen, which is solid play with very little playmaking. If we apply pressure, then I believe he will take it to the next level.
I'm thinking FS is his natural spot. Why he's been playing SS is beyond me. IMO if the line performs well he has a very strong chance to be a top FS in the league. Here's hoping, anyway.
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I will address your points one at a time.....
1) If Peters is made the highest paid LT in the NFL (and I am hoping that he settles for less), this will only be the case for a month or so. I don't think that the highest paid thing is much of an issue.
2) LG should improve, but it will probably require Jauron to devorte draft resources to blockers, something he is little known for.
3) I love your comments about Hangartner and hope that you are carrect. We need a physical Center.
4) I focused on Butler all season. Having no way to prove it, I make the case that he played hurt a lot. While this is quite admirable, he does seem to have a history of being injured in 08, and 07 as well iirc. Just something to watch.
5) Agreed about Walker, although I get the feeling that he would be a better player if he was in better condition, but this too is ultimately speculation.
2 through 5 are ok, but 1 is fuzzy thinking, Bill. You pay a guy what he is worth, at least in MHO. And Peters, although very good, is not the top T in the game, and with scads of sacks allowed it's a shame that the players, etc, voted him into the pro bowl again because he most certainly did not deserve it.
Pay him the top T $ in the game and it would be a shame. Hopefully the Bills use integrity and dump him off for a 1st and a 3rd and again, hopefully, things turn out well.
One more quickie... if we didn't need the players so badly I'd say let him play out his contract for the next 2 years at his PRESENT salary and then pay him the avg of the top 5 in the 3rd and let him rot! The guy is a certified jerk and deserves to be treated like one. However........
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I think this is a good guess. Not because this is such a great option but because the other options are so bad>
Even worse, the Bills needs for solid LT play are so skewed toward a credible 09 performance (Edwards blindside must be guarded, we only are guaranteed T.O. for 09, Ralph is not gonna last forever so 09 is a priority) that drafting a player to start at LT credibly might happen but is such a remote possibility is does not even deserve the phrase upside.
C. Trade him for a solid vet LT
Fine but doubtful. What do you think the deal is and why would anyone want to trade a solid LT for Peters if you also claim he is so unsolid we should trade him.
I do not think showing him the money is a good option but it is by far the best option and I think that the Bills will take it.
And the option of moving Langston Walker to LT where he just might perform admirably as he did on a limited basis last year? It would then be a bit easier to replace him at RT than to start from scratch hunting a LT.
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Screw the Pro Bowl LT, who has produced for the team in every year, with a fall off last season, after sitting out...yet still made the Pro Bowl...and you don't have a replacement.
Pay the #2 RB, who has produced, in limited playing time, for one season (two if you want to count his even more limited production in 2007)...when you have Marshawn as the starter.
I'd call that an odd way to do business, in the NFL.
There is something to be said for character, though, Dean, and Jason has not shown that to the team. If he had he would have taken a page from the Evans book, reported to camp and bargained from there in good faith.
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There's a difference here though... Peters signed a 5 year deal when he was getting close to the league minimum. That was dumb because now he's stuck with it. We did pay Peters, he's just pissed that he made a bad decision. Jackson gets a lousy qualifying offer and from what I understand that's all they have to do next year to keep him too... forgive me, I read that at either WGR's site or through the Buffalo news and don't have the patience too find it. He's 28 now... running backs don't last long in this league. He has to get paid NOW or else he could be screwed. Everyone on this board would do exactly what Fred is doing if they were in his situation. The Bills should pay him.
Jackson most definitely deserves a large pay raise. He has performed extremely well for the Bills and at his age this could be his last shot at the bucks. Pay him.... ching!!
As for fat ass Peters, although I'm learning how to hate the guys guts, he's awful good, so one of 2 things; either trade him for at least a 1st and a 2nd, or sign him up on a new long term contract. But anything more that 10 million would be a disgrace!
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Its the spread dude. Just because he never lined up as a blocker doesnt mean he cant do it average enough to be a starting TE. Royal was supposed to be a "blocking TE" but if you didnt notice he was taken out for most running plays. In college Coffman completely controlled the middle of the field on seem routes and was spectacular running underneath and crossign routes - Just what the Bills need. He wont dominate as a blocker, but he will as a pass catcher -- pass catching muhc more important.
Duh! Am I missing something here fellas? If you have a receiver going out for passes and he's not expected to block... uh, why not just put another WR in there??
He BETTER block, Thoner, or he won't hack it in the NFL!
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It is a sad situation, but you can't blame others for the choices you make in life. When you're grown, you are accountable for yourself and what you do. You can't point the finger at anyone else except the person you face when looking in a mirror. Hopefully Todd will look in the mirror, see a person in need of help, and come to his senses. Hopefully he will start taking the steps to get his life in order.
You need to take Psych 101, fella. Your childhood experiences do in fact continue to influence your lifestyle over and over and over and.... all your life, like it or not.
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this will show Peters that the Bills dont F*ck around!!
And show the rest of the league that the Bills are cheap ass bastards that they don't want to play for. Great idea. We need to pay Peters and get him on board for training camp. I am sick of the Bils second rate mentality.
Hey, great idea, evans... let's do it!! Let's make Peters, who I believe let the league in sacks allowed by an Offensive Lineman, the HIGHEST PAID LINEMAN IN THE GAME!! Hey, we'll show him and the whole league how smart we are. Yes sir!!
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you may be right, but think about it like this, if we didn't trade him by draftday, don't you think that we are sending him a strong message that we aren't going to trade him or that he didn't garner enough interest from other teams? Also I believe that it could send a wakeup call to Peters and his agent that his value may not be as high as they hoped it to be.
Personally, I think the Bills should set a deadline by the June minicamps. Offer him something fair, whatever that number may be. If he doesn't accept the deal by the June minicamps, rescind the offer, but communicate to him clearly that this is an offer with a june deadline. Also, make it really clear that he will get fined for every mandatory minicamp and practice that he misses, and there will absolutely be no chance for any sort of a restitution of his fines.
At this point Parker and Peters would be foolish to not accept the contract offer. They would be losing out on at least $6 Million this year alone, not to mention what other teams perception of him would be. He would be risking another year of lack luster play, and then what would his contract value be the following year? My guess is that it would be less than this years and now there definitely would be a big question mark concerning his desire and playing ability.
They know we don't bluff and cave in because of last year, which is another thing that I think really gives us better footing for this contract deal.
I don't know. I think it depends on how the Bills FO plays this. My feelings is that they should play hardball with him.
I think just grab a 1st and a 3rd for him and be done with it!
The guy has dissention written all over him starting from his college days when instead of being a 3rd or 4th rounder, as he should have been, he went all the way to being a FA. His attitude screwed him back then and will continue to do so thoughout his career. Let it be with someone else!
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Bell has shown an ability to learn very quickly. If Peters is traded I wonder if Buffalo will put him in at LT this year. He seems to have a lot of upside and when he gets some starts I believe he will quickly improve.
As for Johnson he's another quick learner it appears. It definitely showed toward the end of last year and letting him play third or fourth receiver this year should help him improve. He might be a starter 2010. It's way to early to call him the next Andre Reed but he's definitely got a lot of unrefined talent that he seems to be using a lot better after some coaching.
And what about Walker at LT, a position which he could probably handle fair to midlin'ly well for awhile and Bell at RT where it's just a tad easier for awhile. When it's determined that Bell is ready, whether that is during the bye week or at the end of the season, pull the switcheroo.
As far as Johnson goes I'm all with you. I'm thinking that in all probability Owens is a 1 year wonder with the herd regardless of his success here one way or the other 'cause really he needs a big city atmosphere... more publicity and all that stuff. But one more year under their belts and I'm thinking that both Johnson and Hardy have excellent chances to be big time receivers in this league. Here's hoping, anyway.
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A healthy Schobel and a 1st or 2nd round DE should help.
For sure.
(By the way, I hate your avatar... it makes me wince whenever I see it!
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I agree. This would be the most ideal scenario. Hopefully we would be able to get Philadelphia's earlier pick at #21, but if they include a 3rd as well, we would probably receive their 2nd pick in the 1st round at #28. Our draft could look something like this:
#11: T, Andre Smith, ALA
#28: DE, either Michael Johnson or Robert Ayers
#42: OLB, Clint Simtin, UVA
#75: OG, Herman Johnson, LSU
#85 (from Philadelphia): Trade it to the Broncos for TE, Tony Scheffler
We would get our replacement for Peters who would be a rookie, but based on Peters performance last year, Smith could equal Peters performance or better it. We would get our pass catching TE. Some depth at LB. Dockery's replacement at LG. And help at DE.
Gott say, Bob, these nice to have plans rarely work out the way that you want them, but I'd take yours in a heartbeat. Sent it in, will you?!
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Trade Peters to the Eales/Lions for their first rounders (Lions 20, Eagles 21) and thirds. Use one of the thirds to trade for Scheffler. Use the Bills two first rounders on a DE and LT (in either order), the second round pick on a LG (Robinson, the best in class may still be on the board) and sign Keiaho or June at OLB and then go best available with the other 3rd through 7th. From last year's team we'd regress on LT (albeit not as much as people think since JP played only in 11 or 12 games and took 3-4 of those to get back in shape) and possibly at LG, but would probably be much stronger at C (how can anyone not be an upgrade over Preston and Fowler?), LB (between Keiaho/June and Poz being in his 2nd full year), TE, WR and DL (between Schobel coming back and a first rounder DE). Trent has one more year under his belt, we have the same RB's (albeit missing Lynch probably two games) and our secondary is probably a push in losing Greer but getting Florence and Leodis having another year under his belt. Our special teams should be better (the light went on for Leodis somewhere around mid-season) due to increased depth as well. If we can play relatively injury-free and hit on most of our early round picks this team may not be half bad and may be set up pretty nicely for the next few years--TO and Schobel being the only real oldsters on the squad.....
Gee, nice post, MattM. Have you contacted Brandon on this yet? I'm certain he'll appreciate the advice.
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And the Bills should absolutely hold out for more than a 1 and a 3. They have nothing to lose by standing firm on a high asking price.
Yeah they do.... a 1 and a 3!
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You should always draft the best player available regardless of need.
People who don't have a clue ALWAYS say that!
If the best player available was a RB.... then what?
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Thanks, you just convinced me. I don't want Trent getting slammed to the ground like a rag doll, so lets trade the LT that gave up the most sacks in the league last year.
There is no denying his talent, but I'm sick of his game. Let him be another teams headache. I want players that buy into the team, especially linemen.
Well said!
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I agree if Peters wants to price himself out then trade him if you can get a first and additional fist day pick. I disagree with the posts stating Demetrius Bell should be a starter, the guy was on the practice squad last year. If Peters is gone we should take one of the OT's in the draft this year-Maybe Eben Britton to compete with Chambers. Chambers played better at OT than OG last year. We would still need to take an OG/C the first day and I'm opimistic that we can find one throught the draft that would be a better starter than Bell.
Let's see if I've got this... Bell practiced against our professional DL all year and Eben Britton played against college players but E. B. has the edge. OK, gotcha!
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We've got the better cards. We shouldn't fold and take it to the River if need be. My guess is he'll fold and by folding that means he'll get somewhere in the ballpark of $10 Million a year.
I agree with you.... how 'bout that!
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It's a pretty steady refrain from fans that athletes that are not solid football players will emerge as good (if not great) football players at some time in the future after watching, learning, clapping, and sitting on the sidelines. Yeah, it sometimes works out that a guy is a late bloomer. Maybe it will with Hardy.
On the other hand, Hardy already got a chance to display his imposing athletic skills in NFL games and defenses snuffed him out even while rolling their coverage packages away from him. In short, he sucked, catching 9 balls in 14 games.
I think you're showing a high degree of non comprehension here, sisyphean. There have been many cases of late bloomers in the NFL, especially in the class of WR's; Eric Moulds comes to mind, and if anyone had good reason to be behind in the art of NFL moves and generally getting open, it's apparently Hardy who was just asked to rely on his basic skills.
But you know, with his obvious good attitude, great size, 4.49 combine speed, it's just a matter of time before he puts it all togther and starts to produce. Take it to the bank, fella!
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I totally agree. I guy has 1 bad year and everyone writes him off.
And to everyone who is SO adamant about trading Peters for draft picks, you are forgetting 1 big problem....Our draftniks are average at best. That combined with the fact that the draft is a crapshoot makes me want nothing to do with trading Peters.
Murt Murt Murt, please understand, fella, it's not that the guy had 1 bad year, it's really that he had 1 really good year, then last year was mixed inasmuch as he played well sometimes but gave up one hell of a lot of sacks.... but the bottom line is this, Murt, HE WANTS TO BE THE HIGHEST PAID LT IN THE GAME!!! And you know know, hey, that's a lot of money that he really, truly, honest to God, doesn't deserve.
IMO do all we can to sign him for a MAX a MAX of maybe 10 million well before the draft. If we can't do that, make a BIG attempt to trade him for a high value. If that fails, he should get NO PAY RAISE WHAT-SO-EVER for the 2 years more that he has with us and then we should keep him for the 3rd year at an average of the highest 5 (still cheaper than he wants) and then after his reputation is shot, let him go.
Let him know well all these facts and maybe just maybe it might sink in and the story will have a happy ending
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Tom Brady
First defensive play of the game / season, we stack the line with 11 lineman / linebackers, rush them all, and hope for the best / worst / best / worst / best / wo.....
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He's got a point. One of the main components of a successful QB is his internal makeup. If you are going to invest millions of dollars and the fate of a franchise, then you'd be wise to check out as much as you possibly can about that player. Now I'm not saying that Singletary is a smooth operator, because he definitely isn't, he is very rough around the edges, and has said and done many things that are very unorthodox, but he does have a point.
Gotta disagree with you on this one. Stuff him because he won't talk about his parents divorce? I fail to see what that's got to do with playing football!
The worst mock draft that I've seen yet
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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Take one of the QB's??? Please... shake your head a little bit and get serious, Rebound.
Positions of need are G... TE... LB... DE... and MAYBE T. QB is not one of them!