Deadstroke
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Waters right now would be a waste. You can have too many or i should say too much money tied up in one area. I dont think Levitre or Woods will be a bust. At worse they will have nice solid careers. With Woods possibly turning into your starting center in 2010.
Look at what the Bills just got in the 4th round (Nelson). A potential starter at a need area. So do you want to give that up for Waters?
Now i would be on board with a fourth or fith to Jax for Henderson. Because the Bills are very thin at best on Dline. Anderson is a hard worker but gets dominated a lot on run plays. Another strong presence next to Stroud, then this D would be pretty much done.
Your post makes sense... Leave the OL alone, it will develop very well naturally. And of course if we could pick up Henderson for no more than a fourth... shoot, go for it!!
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This idea that because Butler played RT in college that he can play in the pros is wishful thinking. Many college tackles kick inside because opposing DE's are faster and stronger.
As for the Bills competing in the AFCE, that also remains to be seen. One thing the Bills do quite a bit of is making cosmetic changes that casual uniformed fans think will make a difference in the W column. TO is a nice addition, but Rhodes averaged 3.5 ypc. But because casual fans recognize his name from Indianapolis, it's a good move. He's 30 and that number does not bode well for RB's.
The talk about the 2009 draft being a turning point also is premature. This type of discussion was tabled after Marv's first draft in 06. While that wasn't a complete failure, it hasn't set the foundation some fans thought it would be.
Hmm, I have to respectfully disagree with your post, Vet.
In Para 1, your talk about Butler, at 6'7", 315, the man is absolutely built for a T position rather than G. Furthermore, his coaches, from college to pro see him as a natural Tackle.
Then when you talked about Rhodes you mentioned his low ypc; yeah, but what about his whopping 45 pass receptions and 9 TD's? Pretty impressive stuff.
Point out some good with the bad!
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Awful lot of negativity on this board!
I'm thinking that the OL holds up, which is the only question mark on the O, and we are easily a top 10 offense; maybe top 5 or so.
The D was what?, like 15th last year and will be MUCH stronger at BOTH DE positions, meaning far more pass rush, we have a lot more competition at LB, and the FS has improved (interceptions, anyone?.)
Fellow fans, this is a big time improved team. We may not yet be better than the Fagriots, but I believe that we'll be closer to them than most of you give us credit for. As for the Fins and the Jets, I believe we have left them in the dust!!
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Can someone explain what it means for an OL to "gel?"
What sort of intrinsic skills and reads require this nebulous gel-time?
It seems that knowing your teammates habits and having the capacity for non-verbal communication (two of the things I ASSUME to be part of the "gelling" process) would come after a training camp together, at the very least.
Plus this whole "gelling" thing seems like a pretty Girl-Scout concept for a bunch of pros.
Can someone shed a little technical light on this subject?
You obviously never played the game... and now are foolishly making light of it, to your own detriment!
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True that. Although I think we've got the best deep cornerback crew of any Bills team that I can remember. I'm not sure about the best top two (Winfield & Clements were pretty nice) although I hope McKelvin grows up to elite status this year.
I really like
McGee
McKelvin
Youboty (I watched this guy struggle for so long but last year I was stunned by his performance. I hope he can stay healthy)
Corner
Drayton - Who knows, he may flourish now that he's back inside. May get cut.
I don't expect much out of the rookies, but maybe someone sticks.
Based on his resume´I don't see how you cannot like Mr. Byrd. I just saw where many of the experts had him ranked as the number 2 CB in the draft... since speed is apparently his only shortcoming, the Bills have moved him to FS where he is free to use his natural ballhawking skills.
Tell you the truth, I'll be surprised if he's not a starter by midseason and who knows, maybe right off the bat!
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Thanks Lori - it is hard not to now be a glass half full person with regards to the upcoming season. I just hope the o-line really does come together. Sounds like Peters really did not want to remain in Buffalo. I suppose we will never know his side of the story.
Hey, call me a homer if you want, and believe me I usually don't spout off like this, but I really believe that IF IF the OL comes together as it has an excellent chance of doing, this Offense has a very good chance of being in the top 5 in TOP due to Jauron's penchant for the ground game and Trent's ability to hit the short ones. Not quite the success in scoring but with luck we have a good chance to crack the top 10........ JMO guys.
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No way.
That is a weakpoint of the front office. They don't seem to understand that certain body types are "locked in" and what you see is what you get. The missed with Hardy in much the same way. He is always going to be a lanky, off balanced, not strong enough in the right places...WR.
Maybin has amazing north/south quickness and can change direction that way. He is poor in his lateral movement however and because of his size issues, he really does look to be a one trick pony of rushing the passer. The Bills see Maybin and think Jason Taylor.....problem is there is only one Jason Taylor in the league to have major success. If anything, with Maybin's frame it would be easier for him to play at 230 at OLB......but it looks like they see a DE.
Orakpo is built like Bruce Smith.....a thing of beauty. With those 2 on the board...I think they made a major mistake. The knocks against him were that he doesn't give 100% all of the time and that Texas doesn't get pro players. Well....to me that is all the more reason to take him. If he was that good on pure talent alone....and he is built like an A+ athlete.....you can say he has upside as well....and will have a much better chance to be an all around player against the run and the pass.
Gee, what a shame that the FO didn't call you before the draft. All those guys that study the tapes and observe and travel all year and don't know anything....tsk tsk tsk!
Maybe, just maybe, Hardy with his 6'6" frame could put on more than 218 IF it was necessary, and Maybin at 6'4" almost CERTAINLY can sustain more than the 248 he's credited with now. The guy is very lean now, man. And the 230 you mentioned.... pretty redicules!
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He was getting rave reviews before the injury.
Anybody sure if he fully recovered from his injury?
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I see no one is discussing the availability of LeRoy Hill. I'm wondering why not!
Seems like a good pick up at our one much needed defensive position!
Any opinions out there?
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While I DO feel like the pieces are in place, I have to disagree, purely on the basis that it usually takes at least a season for rookies to really get acclimated to the NFL game. Nelson will not have too much of an impact at first, as he will be learning how to run pro routes. Maybin will have to learn a few other techniques instead of having to rely on his speed to turn the corner.
But when all is said and done, to win football games, you have to be able to rush the passer, and stop the pass rush. This is no longer a game of "run and stop the run," especially since now, we play in a pass-happy league. Rush the passer...we MIGHT be able to accomplish this if Maybin GETS IT right away. My biggest concern is our ability to stop the pass rush. Like you said...time will tell. Let's hope that our new O-Line gels and meshes quickly.
One thing about it though, it's going to take something special, maybe 2 guys from the opposition, to control Maybin's speed, and that gives us an advatage right there whether he gets the sack or not.
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MAYBIN
Height: 6'4
Weight: 250
40 time: 4.89
Vertical Leap: 38 inch
Bench Press: 22 reps of 225 pounds
Overall Draft Pick: 11th overall
FREENEY
Height: 6'1
Weight: 266 lbs
40 time: 4.48
Vertical Leap: 37 inch
Bench Press: 28 reps of 225 pounds
Overall Draft Pick: 11th overall
Can he be the next Freeney?!
Just a sec here; Maybin's 40 time is gotta be misleading inasmuch as he ran in the combine immediately after gaining 20 lbs of muscle. That was nice for a lot of things but not for speed. A month later, once he became accustomed to the extra weight and did some speed training with it he was able to run somewhere around 4.6, a vast difference, huh?
Besides, as a lot of people have pointed out, as a DE the 20 YD speed is the biggie... quickness is key, and it's said that Maybin gets outta the blocks faster than any lineman in the draft.
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I'm actually quite convinced that is where the Bills intend to play him. Our best chance for improving our team at this point would be to forget about trading for Henderson and sign Jason Taylor. Would not cost us anything in compensation, and that is what I expect the Bills to try and do. Now whether or not Jason Taylor would sign with the Bills remains to be seen, but that is the best case scenario for the Bills at this point, and why I am convinced they see Maybin as a Cornelius Bennett type play maker at the OLB.
I think if the Bills were looking to draft a starting caliber DE, they do not select Maybin #11 overall, and since taking him at #11 clearly indicates their belief that he is starting caliber, I can only assume they see him playing at OLB. Which is an idea I very much like for the record.
To suggest that the Bills would waste a #11 pick on a guy who only plays on 3rd down is preposterous. But it is a known fact that Maybin isn't going to be able to handle every down duties at DE this year. So you start putting two and two together and you get a sum of OLB.
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Wow, man! Are you ever smart! Quick, get on the horn and clue the coaching staff onto your observations!!
Then again, fella, maybe, just maybe they may have thought of all this stuff and they and just about everyone else involved thinks he can in fact play DE because if you take the time to think it out we NEED a DE and only drafted Maybin. Does that give you a clue to the Bills' intentions??
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http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=jc-0...o&type=lgns
Worst analysis of the Bills draft i have seen to this point!
Not a word about Nelson, one of the steals of the draft? The guy's a loser!
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I'm concerned that on a team who lost its best DE for most of the season, that Ellis couldn't even have a couple of shining moments. Instead he didn't even dress for the majority of the games. I expect a little more out of a 3rd round pick who played in major college football conference.
"They" say his biggest problem was a lack of strength to fight off blocks, etc. The staff has obviously had him working on that as well as the myriad of other things an NFL DE needs to master to be a success. Let's hope for the best, huh? The guy was pretty good in college!
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not good. not good at all.
It is depressing I have been trying to like another team but, I am stuck as a long time bills fan.
So it is nothing or the Russ and Dick show.
Terrible predicament many of us are in.
4-12 for 2009
Why doncha find another team, zazie? Let's see, there's the Raiders, or the Browns, or...... well find one and quit complaining.
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On ESPN Mel Kiper has said the Bills had the best draft.
Don't you feel good that the Bills think enough of their OT's that they didn't even draft one? I mean think about it; if they had any reservations about them, and we're talking about coaches, etc who know more about the state of the team than anyone, then we would have grabbed one in the 1st couple of rounds rather than taking 2 guards.
It's obvious to me that the staff feels that with Walker, Chambers, Bell, and now the Butler move, they are A-OK at OT and they worked on the OG position in the draft. If the dreams of the Bills' mice and men turn out for the best and this OL jells, look out AFC East, because we most definitely have the RB's and now a complete set of receivers to do some serious damage.
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I believe the Bills strength and conditioning coach also works with or knows enough about nutrition and diets to bulk him up along with Maybin. I think he will be allright and give the Bills a great TE for years to come.
If we could put 15 lbs on each of them it would be great. Not an easy task, but doable!
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QB- Edwards
RB- Lynch, Jackson
WR- Evans
WR- T.O.
TE- Nelson
LT- Walker
LG- Wood
C- Hangartner
RG- Levitre
RT- Butler
CB- McGee
CB- McKelvin
CB- Youboty
FS- Byrd
SS- Whitner
DE- Schobel
DT- Stroud
DT- Williams
DE- Maybin/Kelsay
SLB- Mitchell
MLB- Posluszny
WLB- Harris
I just wanted to take the time to say I love your lineup!! Why? Because it's the first that I've seen that is exactly, 100%, like mine. Super!
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guess what? nic harris may still be young and undersized but he's definitely bigger than keith ellison. who has weight trained in the pros for at least 4 years. give this kid a year with some pro training then say somethig. i also have a feeling that bobby april wanted some help on special teams. which is why the last three picks were slower but talented cornerbacks.
I read somewhere that now that Harris has been designated as a LB apparent, he'll move his weight up to 240.
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He's completely unproven...and I don't get a good feeling when I hear the Bills FO saying they are high on somebody because____(fill in the blank). We hear it every year on guys like Dockery, whittle, Robert Royal, Tim Anderson, etc....only to see them fall by the wayside. It's pretty risky taking an already thinned out O-line and not getting a tackle, in a draft that had a lot of them to offer.
I'm seeing that some of the Bills' rosters list Butler as an OT this year:
60 Butler, Brad T 6-7 315 09/18/1983 4 Virginia
Does that tell you anything?
He's got all the tools and that would put us in fat city for G and T.
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I agree, there's no way Buffalo knew Cincinnati was definitely going OT at 6. I wouldn't mind the acquisition of L. Jones, because Bell isn't ready to play RT, Chambers is a swing OT, and frankly Butler isn't an OT in the NFL. Some will assail this, but it'd be a mismatch if any of them played long term at OT. And it's just wrong to say Walker can play LT long term.
I really don't think there was an OT after A. Smith who would come in and start from Day 1. Neither Britton nor Beatty are the types I want playing LT against many teams.
Your OL evaluations are a reach, Vet. Bell MAY be ready, we don't know that yet, Chambers, so, so, Butler has OT experience and good size for the position and very well may be ready to play the position, and Walker... maybe we'll soon find out, eh?
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But, if Maybin doesn't produce, we didn't improve our front 7. They should have addressed it more, is the underlying theme on this board today.
Unless he's injured, Bledsoe, he will produce; and that's a given. He won't play JUST 3rd downs, he'll play ALL passing situations and little by little more of the other downs, too.
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After day 1 I was starting to get my hopes up. . . but with Dick still here, I should have known better. After 3 corners drafted last year, including rds 1 and 4, I thought there was no way we'd spend many picks on DBs this year. I guess Dick showed me!
Also, I've read several profiles on Maybin. They all say that he is not an every down DE. They talk about a switch to OLB or a pass-rushing specialist that only has one speed move and not much else. I'm on record as saying I'm officially nervous about him over Orakpo. Especially since they're talking about Kelsay still playing most downs
My favorite pick of this draft is Nelson, hands down. He appears to be a Tony Scheffler-type 4th rd TE.
Curious, who's talking about Kelsey still playing most downs? Especially since it's been widely speculated that he was on the trading block? Huh?
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Thanx for taking time out of your busy drivel to jump on Read back in my posts, if you can, I was right! F'n new guys ...I will be right on this draft also. I recognize talent you do not braindeadstroke
There is only one loser on this board who thinks that you know anything whatsoever about talent and that's Duh Duh Duh Big Man!
Whos our 3rd receiver?
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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Don't get me wrong, I'm not predicting a breakout for Hardy this year but maybe we forget that he was a highly touted second rounder with great height and speed (people forget his combine time was 4.49) and I feel quite sure that for a variety of reasons he lost confidence in himself through his inability to quickly learn route running, the pro playbook, etc, and all that was capped off by the injury.
He could very well be a pleasant "surprise" this year and be the kind of player we expected him to be last year!
I, for one, hope so anyway!!