SouthGeorgiaBillsFan

Alphadawg your philosophy of throwing down the field is fundamentally flawed. The Patriots showed emphatically that they would not allow us to beat them deep under any circumstances. Thus Jackson vs a linebacker was a greater mismatch that Lee or TO in single coverage on a DB. If this was not true, the Pats would have at least dropped into some kind of soft zone defense to attempt to take away some of that underneath game without necessarily putting anyone in single coverage on TO and/or Lee. But they didn't. Therefore you have to realize that Trent was making the right reads and executing the offense with a tremendous degree of efficiency. If not for a fluke fumble at the end of the game this wouldn't even be an argument at all, as Brady would have lost the game and had 1 fewer TDs, thus your argument is baseless, remedial, and invalid.

Dog never gets trolled by me. Well maybe once. Or twice. But usually not =p. Amen dude. I also don't understand how people who make the argument that Trent wasn't as impressive because his throws were short failed to realize that Tom Brady was doing the same thing. The difference was that Moss and Welker still exposed our defense the same way we exposed theirs. The mismatch in their case, due to our different base defense, rather than being backs lined up against linebackers, was single coverage in our underneath zones against Moss and Welker. The philosophy was the same in that neither team was going to give up anything deep, but both new they would be vulnerable underneath and willing to make the opposing QB exploit that. Both did so effectively. Trent was more effective because he had the same amount of TDs (we all know that one of Brady's TDs should have never happened anyway...it did I know but still, a fluke is a fluke), fewer interceptions, and more yardage per attempt and yardage per completion. And the 3 screens that we ran were effective because a) Trent was effectively forcing the Pats to Blitz and try to pressure him by consistently tearing them up on short yardage passes to mismatched receivers, and b) Trent correctly recognized the blitz at the line and called the correct play (you realize of course that Trent probably has as least three options to choose from on any given play that can be called at the line based on the front he sees and run out of whatever formation in which they are lined up - I believe the whole reason DJ wanted a simpler offense was so that Trent would have even more plays to choose from on any given down to be called at the line out of each formation).

That is not what I said. Why don't you quote my post where I said that? I said his short throwing was resulting in consistently more yardage with a much higher efficiency vs throwing down field into lower percentage plays for less average yardage with a greater chance of interception, and thus he was correctly recognizing and reading the defense. Again, your reading comprehension is suspect and thus your point invalid. My extrapolation is was right on, your attempts to ridicule instead of provide lucid evidence to your point, while invoking the troll in me, has failed to produce any meaningful contradiction to my argument. And that my friend, is lack of cognitive capacity. Case in point: Lori provided meaning and lucid evidence supporting her position, and thus while I disagree and think she misunderstood my original point anyway, she was treated with respect. Unfortunately Alphadawg gets trolled because he is a troll who just repeats the same remedial BS over and over no matter how much evidence you provide to the contrary. Once in a while he makes a valid point and gets a valid response, but just as soon as I get done thinking "wait that was Alphadawg?" he posts some ridiculous BS that just begs for abuse. I understand how badly you want to prove me wrong, me being one of the biggest 455holes on this forum, and if I wasn't at least entertained at how you continue to try and make a bad argument good using progressively worse arguments and logic simply for the sake of being obstinate and incapable of saying "you know, that is a good point," I wouldn't bother to respond at all..

Ahem. Your reading comprehension is clearly suspect, and thus your points are invalid. My assessment was that Trent Edwards was the better QB last night between him and Tom Brady, and nobody has provided a single lucid argument otherwise. Oh yea and I hate flagrant stupidity. I don't mind modest stupidity as I don't blame people for whatever intellectual level they were born to. However when you post it for the world to see and try to pretend that you have a clue what you are saying, then yea, you get the wrath.

Exactly Lori. That is the point. You throw underneath while they give it to you and force them to man up or zone against Lee and TO, and THAT is when you look down field. You don't look down field first. You attack where the weakness is, and any time Lee or TO is in single coverage, that will usually be the weakness of that defensive play. I was utterly surprised that Bill Belichick never made that change. He decided he would make Trent beat him by consistently taking what was given underneath and Trent proved that he would. Next time, Belichick will come out of that double coverage crap and then if Trent doesn't go down field you will have a legitimate argument. But as long as he completes 60% of his attempts for 14+ yards per completion, it simply makes no sense whatsoever to take the riskier, lower percentage throws down field.

Alphadawg, the majority of the posters on this forum lack even the most basic understanding of the game. I clearly do not. Nobody is making any legitimate arguments against me - Lori made a good solid argument but that was based on the fact that she misunderstood my somewhat ambiguous point, which I have since cleared up for her and I am confident that she will agree with my assessment.

Why is it that you people just want to hate someone? Trent Edwards, the Bills coaches, anyone else you can possibly blame when a team that you have absolutely no bearing or influence upon doesn't perform the way you think they should? To do such is indicative of the kind of spineless, thoughtless, whining brain spasms that you are. Why is it impossible for you to give credit where it is do? Would you rather be correct in your absurd assessments that clearly lack understanding of the dynamics of the game, or would you rather have a good football team? I vote for good football team, and for the first time in a while, I am more than convinced we have a very good one.

A fundamentally flawed approach that the mighty Patriots coached by BB could not stop ALL NIGHT LONG. Yea, that is really smart buddy. On a side note, he had ZERO open or even single covered receivers in the end zone. I'll take a short pass to a wide open TE who runs it in over a forced red zone INT any day of the week.

Ahem. I didn't say he looked down field. I said "for all you people who think he didn't look down field" & "he got more plays down field." My question is this: why throw the ball down field, into tighter coverage, with a lower chance of completion and a higher chance of interception, when you can take the shorter, higher percentage, safer passes that yield more yards per completion? That is the point here. Trent made the correct reads by throwing short because he yielded more yards per completion than he would have otherwise.

The purpose of extrapolation is to compare two sets of data that are not equal in a meaningful way. This does not suggest that Trent Edwards would actually hit these numbers. It says that when measured across the same number of plays, Trent's numbers were clearly more impressive. I only brought up statistics because that is the only meaningful argument that has been made in Tom Brady's favor, and since you people on this forum are clearly incapable of recognizing the fallacy in that argument for yourselves, I needed to put it in a mathematical format you can understand. This is done all the time in science. I can't help it if the usage of remedial mathematical tools is beyond your comprehension. But you guys are the ones who like to use Brady's stat line as the basis of your argument. I simply took the ball and ran with it. Alphadawg I am your master. You can bow down and worship any time. I am 27 years old and everyone on this board can see as plain as day that my knowledge and understanding of football and everything else is far deeper than your own.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/extrapolation There was a reason I called it an extrapolation. I used the word pwn because no other word carries the correct derogatory connotation that I needed to convey that could accurately reflect how wrong and ridiculous your argument is. You miss my point, which is hardly surprising. The point being WHY would you throw a more dangerous, lower percentage pass that would yield less yards per completion than the safer, higher percentage pass that yields more yards per completion? That is absolutely stupid. So despite the fact that you think somehow forcing the ball into tighter coverage for less yardage is a good thing, Trent was actually making better reads than your limited capacity for logic and spacial analysis would allow.

They were open you !@#$ing idiot. A lot more open than Moss and Welker were. That is why Trent averaged 14+ yards per completion and Brady averaged less than 10 yards per completion. How can you possibly continue to perpetuate this crap? I know that it is more than obvious even to you that you are in fact wrong. You need to just admit it and get over it.

Alphadawg, I have presented my case in undeniable, irrefutable fashion and still you continue to banter and try and make your baseless point. It is more than obvious that I am in fact correct and you are in fact stupid. Just acknowledge it and I won't have to keep raping you like this man. Tom Brady got that many attempts BECAUSE Bills penalties and dropped passes killed drives that would have continued easily otherwise. We had first down yardage negated time after time due to that crap, and that was in no way Trent's fault. You KNOW that I am right. Stop digging your hole deeper man. This debate is over.

Umm yes actually he did HANDILY out-play Tom Brady. If you extrapolate Trent's numbers across the same number of plays, the comparison would look like this: Trent: 32/53 (15/25 = 60% | 32/53 = 60%) 450 yards (8.5 ypa x 53 attempts); 4 TDs (53 attempts / 12.5 attempts per TD); 0 ints Brady: 39/53 378 yards; 2 TDs; 1 int This extrapolation was based on the individual passing statistics listed on espn: http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=290914017 Surely you would recognize that the quarterback with substantially more attempts would have more yardage and TD opportunities. So if you apply Trents actual numbers across the same numbers of attempts, you can make a very reasonable argument that Trents actual numbers were FAR more impressive than Tom Brady. So yea, the rating was in this case a very accurate indicator of performance for those two QBs. But thanks for playing. Also, if you think Trent wasn't looking down field enough, we can observe the comparison between yards per *completion*: Trent: 212 yards/15 completions = 14.1 yards per completion (which is effing RIGHTEOUS) Brady: 378 yards /39 completions = 9.7 yards per completion (good but not Trent Edwards good) So clearly, he was getting more plays down field for more yards per capita than Tom Brady. If we didn't have at least 3 balls dropped that should have been caught, even *if* they weren't exactly perfect, the difference between Edwards and Brady would be even more profound. This post was originally posted in response on like the fourth page of a thread started by another forum member, but I found it so intriguing after I did the calculations that I thought you would all appreciate a new thread for it.

Umm yes actually he did HANDILY out-play Tom Brady. If you extrapolate Trent's numbers across the same number of plays, the comparison would look like this: Trent: 32/53 (15/25 = 60% | 32/53 = 60%) 450 yards (8.5 ypa x 53 attempts); 4 TDs (53 attempts / 12.5 attempts per TD); 0 ints Brady: 39/53 378 yards; 2 TDs; 1 int This extrapolation was based on the individual passing statistics listed on espn: http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=290914017 Surely you would recognize that the quarterback with substantially more attempts would have more yardage and TD opportunities. So if you apply Trents actual numbers across the same numbers of attempts, you can make a very reasonable argument that Trents actual numbers were FAR more impressive than Tom Brady. So yea, the rating was in this case a very accurate indicator of performance for those two QBs. But thanks for playing. Also, if you think Trent wasn't looking down field enough, we can observe the comparison between yards per *completion*: Trent: 212 yards/15 completions = 14.1 yards per completion (which is effing RIGHTEOUS) Brady: 378 yards /39 completions = 9.7 yards per completion (good but not Trent Edwards good) So clearly, he was getting more plays down field for more yards per capita than Tom Brady. If we didn't have at least 3 balls dropped that should have been caught, even *if* they weren't exactly perfect, the difference between Edwards and Brady would be even more profound. So why don't you and Alphadawg take your brainless BS anti-football wannabe logic down the road to someone who cannot instant spot the fallacies in your perspective. Unless you like to be made to look like a fool. Does anyone else want to try and debunk my logic? Or have you had enough getting pwned for one night? God I love being me.

LOL football lesson from Alphadawg. I would say that Trent tore up their double coverage, and the game plan worked marvelously. I know that you throw the ball where the defense is weakest, and that is how you beat any coverage. Alphadawg my knowledge is quite obviously far superior to your own. Every point you make is inane and grasping at desperate straws in a feeble attempt to play the devil's advocate. Your posts seethe with stupidity and really man I am embarrassed to even say I like the same team as you. How hard is it to realize that when your two WRs are taking 4 DBs out of the game, all you have to do is hit easy to read, high percentage passing routes to backs who have dubious mismatches against LBs? I mean my god man. Could you be any less capable of understanding simple strategic concepts?

He threw for over 8 yards per attempt, which by any standard in the league, is absolutely torching it. Why would the QB rating stat be misleading? It is the most comprehensive of all QB stats as it takes into account the widest range of dynamics that affect a football game. So to base your argument on the fact that 212 yards isn't good, and to ignore the 8+ yards per attempt while saying QB rating is misleading, is both hypocrisy and unbelievable ignorance. Thus, I want you to either a) become more aware of the philosophy and dynamics of a football game, or b) stop pretending you have a valid opinion.

Because then they get torched underneath you !@#$ing retard, just like the Pats did. Every team we face is going to have to deal with that conundrum, and as long as Trent shows he is willing to take the underneath sh-- and make you pay for it, teams will have no choice but to play up and take away the high percentage plays, leaving TO and Lee in one on one, where we can legitimately throw to them. Don't you wonder how our TEs and backs could be so wide open time and time again, and BB didn't have his team adjusting to shut us down? It is because the DBs were ALL down field covering Lee and TO. The cause and effect here really is not that hard to understand....don't you find it embarrassing that everyone around you can't understand how you can be so dumb? When the QB has a 114 passer rating for the game, you really sound !@#$ing stupid to second guess him.

The difference is that we ran a ZONE all night and the Pats were in a variation of man to man called DOUBLE COVERAGE on Lee and TO all night. Alphadawg shut your ignorant face. You have absolutely no clue what you are talking about. None whatsoever.

You get great from it by watching the game, not a stats page. They were great. The Patriots did NOT stop them at all. Mistakes that were to be expected by a young inexperienced line ended drives. Dropped balls ended drives. But the offense was in sync and executed flawlessly by Trent Edwards. The Buffalo Bills looked as close to unstoppable as they have since Jim Kelly was the QB.

Not you dood. Oh I know what happened. I hit respond to your post thinking it was his post and then had to edit it after. Sorry for the confusion, I totally agree with you.

And because Moss and Welker WERE NOT being double teamed, moron. Tom Brady does not throw into double coverage. He takes the easy stuff underneath. Case in point: the entire !@#$ing game last night. Trent was *better* than Tom Brady last night. It is a tragic fluke that he did not get that win. Ahem. I think any coach or QB in the league would say that you give *open receivers* the ball.

Because other receivers were open underneath due to the fact that Lee and TO were basically taking the entire secondary down field on every play. You stop running them deep and the Pats stop giving up short passes. It is a simple scenario of cause and effect. If you are too stupid to comprehend the dynamics of the game, just shut your ignorant face. I am so effing tired of stupid Bills fans. Do they not offer public school in WNY anymore or something? Alphadawg, every post you submit is just crawling with incoherent, bumblingly idiotic psuedo-thoughts that do nothing beside highlight your embarrassing and unprecedented lack of knowledge and understanding. Please for the sake of everything holy destroy your computer now, you mindless, unthinking waste of bandwidth.

Do you realize how stupid this post makes you sound? Obviously not. Trent had 200+ yards, 2 TDs, 0 INTs, and completed 60% of his passes. That is good for a 114+ passer rating. If you have a problem with that, go root for the Pats. I guess you were too ignorant to notice how the Pats double teamed Lee and TO and got burned underneath time and time again. We played zone all night, and even though Moss and Welker made receptions, they were short plays that did nothing to allow the Pats to ring up embarrassing point totals, or even to win the game. Dude you ignorance of football is mind boggling enough for me to recommend that you just watch the game and do your best to not try and understand its dynamics or formulate opinions about it.

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