mrags

You all are kill me here. Why is anyone even arguing about a guy that has caught 20 balls in 3 years? WHY??? Regardless what the fans that respect him or back him want to believe in him, the fact is he's just not a good football player. He can't stay healthy either. He absolutely did lie to the Bills organization, and the fan base. He gladly took their money and continues to take their money to train for the Olympics in Rio. He's stated this as a fact. And FYI, there have been players in the past that have attempted both sports at this level. One I can think of off the top of my head is our precious RBs coach Tyrone Wheatley. He attempted to make the 1996 Olympics at the 110 meter hurdles. He lost that race and when interviewed they asked him if he was going to keep up with it going forward and he specifically stated how he was dedicated to his football team and that he didn't have the time or dedication that it takes to compete in the Olympics. Not that he would have ever made it anyway. He was fast but not Olympics fast. I watched the event with my own eyes and I have it on tape somewhere if you really want me to break out the vcr I'll try. Goodwin has also made comments about Bills fans, football fans, and the city of Buffalo itself. I'm not really sore why anyone would stick up for this idiot. I haven't seen people fall so head over heals for someone who's so worthless since Roscoe Parrish. And even he had some talent. Couldn't stay healthy, but talented. At kickoffs at least.

im not debating Graham vs Goodwin with you. I'm simply backing up JBoyst in the fact that the 40 yard dash is not an official event for anything besides the NFL Combine and is absutely meaningless when speaking about track and field events.

well, there is no 40 meter dash in Track and Field. There's 60 meters in indoor. But outdoor doesn't have anything shorter than 100 meters. So technically the events JBoyst is talking about being meaningful are legitimate track and field events as opposed to a 40 yard dash that is nothing more than a NFL combine gimmick

thats nothing. I had that before my 18th Bday

i was just gonna say... If it's happened multiple times you'd think by now he'd have learned his lesson

but he will face plant so freaking talented.

yet your not smart enough to realize he's a talentless scrub. Makes sense.

no. It didn't. But just keep thinking that because you watched all the games and the all 22 that Goodwin actually has talent. your knowledge is overwhelming. It's borderline genius. But what else would I expect out of the smartest kid on the short bus.

he has been injured the majority of the last 2 years. IR is possible but only when a player is actually injured. He would be IRd more if his injuries were more than a few weeks at a time but they aren't. One week he tweaks a hammy, the next it's his hand, etc. The next injury will be a stubbed toe from getting out of the shower. Don't worry it's coming for your lover boy. When he's not injured he sucks. Other idiots have tried to get something out of Graham. He played for the Saints last year. The same idiots that thought they could get something out of CJ Spiller. That worked out well for them. The other idiot coach to take a shot on Graham is Ryan with the Jets. The same idiot thinking he can actually get anything out of Goodwon. Or you can turn to the GM in Whaley that drafted Him and still refuses (much like you) to give in to the fact that he's a talentless scrub that wouldnt make it on almost any other team in the league. You seem to think I like Graham. Which is understandable considering I'm comparing him to Goodwin. The problem that you have and are too stupid to realize is that I'm not comparing them to prove that one is better than the other. It's to compare them in that they both are useless football players that have no talent. You apparently feel that Goodwin does have talent when Graham doesn't. It's funny that you say Goodwin has talent but neither are any good and they have the exact same talent. To run in a straight line and draw coverage from a real WR on the other side of the field. Which I really don't care about either. They both suck. Neither should be in the league. But the fact remains that as bad and talentless you think Graham is, which I'm not denying; you don't think Goodwin is just as talentless. The fact is, as bad as Graham is, he still outperforms Goodwin by double the statistics. Which as I keep stating is the only factual evidence to actually measure a players worth. In the end, I will be proven right by the fact that they will both be out of the league within a few years. I'll go on record and state that Goodwin will not have more than 120 receptions, 1,000 yards, and 12 TDs for his entire career. That's a season for a good WR. I'll bet you a case of beer that Goodwin doesn't post these numbers for the rest of his days. If you really want to get frisky I'll double down and state that Graham will have a more productive career than Goodwin. And I personally don't think Graham plays another down in the league.

The explanation is that it's not possible to cut an injured player. Or maybe because as someone mentioned (maybe uiu I have no idea) that it would make the Bills look pretty stupid to be cutting a player that's trying to win a medal and help his country in the Olympics. Or maybe it's that we have some bad WRs at this point and they need as many bodies as possible. Or maybe it's because some idiot coach or GM actually thinks they can get something out of his "talent". One thing I will agree with is the fact he actually does have talent. He's fast. That's all I'll give him credit for. IMO he had nothing else. Unfortunately for you, I will never be proven otherwise because he'll be out of the league soon and will have never shown anything.

im done here. I think your an idiot and have no desire to engage in talk about football with you ever again. It's clear you are holding onto this argument because you feel you have more football knowledge than others and it's just plain false. Again, You are arguing about a wr that has stated he'd rather run track than play football and there's a good chance he will be out of the league within 2 years. But just keep thinking your right about this. Despite NFL teams being unable to get anything out of him and almost everyone else here on this message board completely thinking he's useless. And fwiw, talent means nothing if you can't produce. All it does is take a roster spot away from another player that could do the exact same thing as a useless decoy, and catch more than 7 footballs a year.

there is the issue right there. You seem to think that just because he gets separation or or runs routes he has talent. It's a false. You think that because he was able to do these things in 10 games that he's actually got talent. Here's more news for the missinformed. Just because he was able to do these things doesn't mean he's actually good at them. It takes 2 teams, 2 people to base that argument on. Who was he up against? As a 2nd, 3rd, most likely 4th receiver? Was he able to do these incredible offensive feats against Richard Sherman? Chances are defenders covering him were no name nobodies (much like he is) or guys like Ron Brooks at best. But it wouldn't expect you to admit to that because you want to hold onto this notion that he was very good at What he did and was extremely talented. Just a serious question, have you ever played in any sport at all in your life? Because anyone that has would know it's not just about how good you are or aren't, it's also about who you are facing as an opponent. Even the fastest kid in the special Olympics has talent for what he does. And he still wins and gets his medal but that doesn't mean he's actually fast. Your surroundings have a lot to do with it. On to your point about hating Goodwin and wishing he took football seriously. I disagree. I believe that no matter what he would never be a good football player. I don't even think he could ever be average. He can never change his height or weight enough to make a difference in his game.

yeah. I don't need your education. I'm just in awe of your knowledge. Your always so incredibly insightful. I'm done here. Your trying to argue about a WR that has said he would rather run track than play football. Can't stay on the field for more than 2 games a season and has a total of 20 receptions in 3 seasons. regardless of anything you say he's useless in a football uninform and pads. I get your argument that production and talent are different. Again for the 800th time, I inderstamd that. You apparently just want to keep arguing that he actually has talent. Which is in no way measurable. Tell me genius, what makes him talented? How can you actually measure/judge the talent of his "hands, route running, ability to get separation, Etc" if he's only caught 20 passes? How can you actually see any of his "talent" if he can't stay on the field? Again, your argument could make sense if there was something to base it on. It's a funny thing about measurable production. They kind of go hand in hand with talent. If someone usually sucks in the talent field they usually don't have any production and vice versa. Which is not a guarantee which is why you have guys like Peyton Hillis for 1 season. But it's not an exact science. You'd get much more respect out of me if you just admitted you have a thing for Goodwin. You like his speed. You appreciate the way he takes care of his sister. You are a fan of his work ethic for track, Etc. instead you hold onto this idea that he has talent which is in fact impossible to prove and based on his production, impossible to back up.

if you think Goodwin has talent you don't understand football. Sorry, I have to explain this to you again like your 12. I said that Glass and Graham both equally have no talent. However... The only way to judge them is based on production. Which is the only real way to judge any sports athlete ever. Neither is good. Graham however had more than double the production as Goodwin which shows how useless Goodwin can be. It's funny that you stick up for Goodwin so much. Yet you hold tight in the fact that Graham sucks yet he has triple the receptions and yards as Goodwin. Based on your rationale however, you should be a huge supporter of Manziel, EJ, Losman, Tebow, Maybin, etc... All those players had a ton of talent yet most people tho I they suck. Why??? Because talent is as useless as a poopie flavored lollipop. It means absolutely nothing unless it can be backed up by production.

i already explained that I do. That neither of them have any actual talent. Again, besides the fact that neither of them are talentless, they both suck production wise. Which happens to be the only thing in sports that can be compared.

your freaking high if you think he has shown anything in this league. He's useless. The guy can't stay healthy at all. The guy has a total of 20 freaking catches in 3 seasons. It's pathetic.

This is the NFL. Hell, this is professional sports. All anybody has to go by is production. It is the only way to judge a player. Besides, Glass hasn't showed that either. They are both useless douches that can get kicked out of the league and run sprints together for all I care.

how so? The factual evidence that Graham has better numbers than Glass in 1 year than Glass' entire career? And don't get me wrong. I don't like Graham either. I just hate Glass as a football player. Hate is a strong word but I actually hate him as a Bill. He provides nothing to this team. Much like Roscoe Parrish before him, always injured and taking up a roster spot for someone that might actually make something of their career.

there is not even a close to "world class speed" with Goodwin. Olympic sprinters would run against him with their shoes untied and still blow him away. A "wealth of receiving talent"??? What part about him is a wealth of receiving talent? I've got to say, if you think he is or could actually be a good WR then I have no clue how you get to that assumption. And fwiw, Graham has 3x the receptions, 2x the yardage and 1 more TD than Glass as this point. Granted he played one more season than Glass, his rookie year with the Bills is more impressive than 3 years for Glass. http://m.pfref.com/m?p=XXplayersXXGXXGoodMa00.htm&t=0 http://m.pfref.com/m?p=XXplayersXXGXXGrahT.00.htm&t=0

i was going to say non sarcastically that I'd rather take a shot in Knox that this assclown that was terrible before when he was here.

i know suites are what we're concerned about here but we don't ha e to limit it to 4. I'm sure there are thousands of tickets that are purchased by vendors in other areas of the stadium. They pretty much own the 200s at the Niagara Center or whatever the hell its called now. When I worked there, handing out Bills and Sabres tickets every week was like walking around tossing free money at people. They begged for it every chance they could get and you never had enough to give away.

Gugny has scared them all off with his Ben Rothlisberger impressions...

ironocally, Ingram in Williamsville is much larger than their HQ in Santa Anna Ca.

aye. And I'm a huge track fan and I don't give a crap about this kid going to the Olympics. What he does on the track means absolutely nothing in the football field.

im right at the same spot on this. Both Oak and SD are sewers compared to The Ralph well done JW. I've got some ribs with your name on them at the opener. Make sure to come by the TBDHOT.