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This is about where I am right now. I’d throw in Aj Brown too. After that, I’m not sure if it’s worth it any earlier than Rd4

As much as I like Hock and Jacobs. I’m still taking the field.

Guess that means no Metcalf. Lol

Really liking Brown as I’m watching vids of him. He could be really good. Might be the best WR to come out. Has the size and speed. A true athlete. He seems like a good kid from a good family. Watching him play, he reminds me of AJ Green

He was my neighbors cousin

I know what you meant with D.K. I’m all over on him. Was in love with him. Then o backed off after I thought about it. Then back on the train again. Then back off cuz I worry about the injury issues and lack of production in college. I know Butler is no Moss and Harrybos no Julio. I was simply saying that when watching them those are the guys they remind me of. Body style. Play style. Etc. Neal may be the best WR in the draft and might not even be close.

I feel like your watching the wrong Schmidt.

So, admittedly I haven’t watch much of Harry. Wasn’t a fan of his from the first few vids that I watched. Also heard on the Metcalf reports that he was the opposite. Nothing but short screens and no deep balls. I’ll say this, after your post I really watched a few vids of him and man do I like him. I feel like it’s a toss up between Neal and Butler who may have the best pro careers. Completely different WRs honestly. Butler reminds me so much of Moss how he is tall and lengthy. He will dominate in that kind of role. Neal reminds me of Julio Jones. Sees like he’s got all the tools and serious physical attributes to do it all. He’s not going to the the streak monster down the sideline that Metcalf or Butler can be, but he can do it all at a high level. Id be perfectly on with either of these guys in the mid to late 1st or anywhere after.

Doesn’t matter when your dropping dimes in the corners inside the 20

Ok, let’s all assume we are going to be picking a WR. After Brown and Beasley it’s not a 100% guarantee like it was before them, but it’s still very likely. What we we don’t know is when and where we will be drafting one. It could end up being Metcalf at 9. Or the 7th round where we try and get an unpolished turd and try and make him something special. Lets Get your opinions on WRs. From the top down, who do you want, who you don’t want, what round do you feel they will be drafted, etc... ill start, there’s a couple WRs I really like or would be glad they drafted. I’ll start by saying I DO NOT LIKE small, short, WRs. I don’t care if they can flat out fly. I don’t want another Parrish or Goodwin. If you do, tell me why you think he’ll be any different than other small speedy WRs that often end up on injury reports. -D.K. Metcalf (Ole Miss)- is a beast and will most likely go by pick 15 in the draft. He’s got the size and physical attributes to become the next dominant WR in the league. Of course he could also bust and have you wondering what happened to him in 3 years. -Hakeem Butler (Iowa State)- More like Randy Moss than Megatron. Just like Metcalf, this kid has all the tools to become dominant. Will he show it in the NFL or flame out? I have no idea at all where he will be drafted. Prolly rounds 2-4. -Anthony Johnson (Buffalo)- I remember hearing about him last summer and I made it a point to try and watch some UB games to see what he was all about. He was injured a bunch and I didn’t get a chance to see him at all. I think a mid to late round guy that could be decent in the league given the right situation. Your turn. Give me a few WRs that you’d like to see. Give a early, mid, late pic.

I didn’t really like him. There was nothing wrong with Colton when he was dropping kicks inside the 20 all the time. Regardless of who’s better or not. They mismanaged the position last year. But who cares, it’s just the punter

Ah. I don’t remember any of that. Maybe because I was just so sure Rex was getting fired and wanted him gone for about 27 games. Once he had that abortion against the Giants at home in week 5 I think. His first season. I knew I wanted him gone then

I don’t recall this at all. What are you talking about? Seriously, not picking a fight. I’d love to know what I may have missed here.

Trade back. Get some extra picks to move back up for more talent if needed. Take Wilkins, Burns, Polite in the mid to late first.

I like Wilkins a lot and he seems like a really good kid. Fits McDermotts style. Burns looks like he could be a stud. As you said, he could be the best pass rusher when all is said and done. Personally i I think Polite looks really good. Similar to Burns really. Super fast step. Tall and lengthy speed rusher. Both have the size to play 4/3DE. Both can play either right or left side. Hockenson on is a no brainer any of the stud Ts are no brainers at 9 there’s going to be a really good player. A sure fire stud. If you just pick the right guy. If all the DL are gone, the tackles should be there. Hell, even one of the QBs could be there and you could get a killing in a trade back. I’d be fine with a trade back to the mid 20s. Go after Wilkins. Trade back into the 1st and get Burns. Use your 2nd round pick for Jacobs if he’s there like I’ve seen in some mocks. Possibilities are endless really. Let’s hope they know what they are doing.

Can’t deny this. But it’s hopes and dreams just like everything else. I’d rather get a bigger more physical runner from the beginning.

I’d prefer a bigger back moving forward myself. They can’t all be Henry or Fournette. But I’d like a bigger more physical back that can still do it all. I haven’t seen enough of Sanders to determine that. But that size is inflated probably. Even at the combine. These guys bulk up or slim down to fit a certain profile. Like how Maybin added weight for the combine and was still at 244. We all knew he was seriously undersized at the time. Hell, bull up by drinking a gallon of water before your weigh in and add about 8 and a half pounds. Piss it all out before you start running.

If 5’11” and 215lbs is actually correct and not false info. We all know teams and players personal sites list false info. I’m just going by what I see when I watch him. He just seems small to me.

Not even if his dad played?

With all arguments aside. What do you want to do if all those early DLmen are gone at 9? Like I said. There’s a huge chance that Williams, Bosa, Sweat, Oliver, Allen are gone. It’s not worth it to reach at 9 for a guy that can be had later in the 1st or 2nd round. What about Wilkins, Burns, Polite in the late first or early 2nd? If that’s the case, are you still dead set against taking a game changing RB at 9 or later in the first and then still getting Burns or Polite or Wilkins by trading back into the first? This is is a message board full of opinions. Let’s hear them. You cannot deny that our RBs are not only old, but are coming off a their incredibly declining numbers, year after year. McCoy is on the final year of his contract. and Gore is.....well, like 68 years old. What about turf toe? Or plantar fasciitis? I like the kid. Feel similar about him as I do about Gaskins. Seems smaller to me than I’d prefer in a. Every down back. But that might be just what I see in the videos.

Well, I’m dealing with a massive bunion and a bad case of gout right now. Fwiw, I hope your doing ok. But you probably shouldn’t be on here arguing with people that are right all the time

I like the video. Kid looks good. But I think he might be a little on the small side. He doesn’t seem like an every down back to me based on that. I’ve seen him listed anywhere from 5’9” to 5’11” and weighing anywhere from 194-211. Something tells me he’s more 5’9” and 195 than on the high side. And that feels like an exaggeration honestly. He just looks smaller. He he was definitely explosive in the vids I’ve seen. But can he bring that to NFL caliber defenses? Can he out muscle then for yards. Can he outrun them?

Yeah, that would probably be my response too if I was hugely proven wrong. I wouldn’t have any kind of comeback at all. Either reply the way you did, or just crawl back into your dark hole and call it a day. And we all know your not doing that. Regardless what you state the “entire NFL views DLmen more valuable than RBs”. The facts still prove you.... and the NFL incorrect that there’s a better percentage of RBs drafted early that become not only good, but dominant than there are DLmen that do. It’s not even close. So back to my point all along. If your not picking very early, the very few DLmen that are serious game changers will already be gone. At that point do you take your chance in drafting a DLmen that will only be a body, or do you draft a RB that might change the offensive identity of your team and set the league on fire for years to come? Because at 9 we aren’t getting Bosa, Allen, Williams, and most likely Oliver.

Well. That was my question from the start. I don’t follow college at all so I have no idea how good these guys really are. I’ve heard names and seen some highlights. But highlights are just that.... highlights. They aren’t showing the bad plays. They aren’t showing the things these players don’t do well. There will be at least one stud coming out of the bunch. The question is, which one will it be. When will they be drafted. As I stated above, the % of good RBs drafted in the first to 2nd round is actually pretty high. I’d just like to see if one is worth taking at 9. Or a trade down and taking later in the first. Who knows, maybe take the best DL at 9 and trade back into the 1st to get the RB you want in the 20s somewhere. I dont think we are fine at DL. We def need help there. But at 9, there’s a serious possibility that the good ones will be gone. Bosa, Allen, Oliver, Williams, Gary, Wilkins. They are all good. Will any of them be there. At that point is it better to trade back. Take the best RB in the draft and then go back to DL in later rounds? Again, I don’t follow college. I really have no idea how good all these guys are. I’m simply watching videos and trying to compare. I’m trying to gauge what our needs are. I’m trying to decipher which one of these guys might be a true game changer and which ones might only be rotational guys.

2014 and 13 didn’t have any first round RBs but their 2nd rounders were pretty good. Still makes a point for my argument for a early RB. So since you wanted me to go farther back, why stop at 2008? Is it because 2007 had some HOFers? 2014 2nd Rounders: Hill was decent for a time Hyde 2013 2nd rounders: Bernard was also decent Bell 2012 had nobody but Richardson was picked 3rd overall along with 2 other first rounders. 2011: Ingram who is still very good today 2010: CJ Spiller who everyone here thought was so good Mathews was very good for a short time 2009: Donald Brown was pretty good 2nd rounder McCoy. Never heard of him. 2008: Jonathan Stewart Chris Johnson 2nd rounders: Forte Rice 2007: Peterson Lynch 2006: Bush Deangelo Williams Addai 2nd rounder: Maurice Jones Drew 2005: Frank Gore in the 3rd 2004; Steven Jackson You are wrong thinking that I don’t want and think we need DL help. We do. Im not saying we don’t. I’m simply saying that the stud workhorse RBs that are drafted early are usually game changers and offense changers for their teams. Every RB that I listed did that for their teams for multiple years. Some of them set the league on fire. You cannot even bunch the DL together with RBs when looking at past years picks because there’s 4x as many. Multiple different positions. Players changing from 3/4olbs to 4/3des. From DTs to DEs and vice versa. But since you asked for it I’ll give it a shot. I’ll just list them all for you and you can tell me which ones are superstars. How bout that. 2018: Chubb Vea Payne Davenport Bryan 2017: Garrett Thomas Barnett Allen Harris McKinley Charlton 2016: Bosa Buckner Rankins Lawson Clark Nkimdeche Butler 2015: Williams Shelton Armstead Ray Brown 2014: Clowney Donald Ford Smith Easley 2013: Jordan Ansah Richardson Lotuleli Floyd Jones Williams 2012: Poe Cox Brockers Irvin Coples McClellin Jones 2011: Dareus Watt Fairley Quinn Luiget Clayborn Taylor Jordan Wilkerson Hayward 2010: Suh McCoy Alualu Graham Pierre-Paul Morgan Williams Odrick Hughes 2009: Jackson Raji Maybin Orakpo English Jerry Hood 2008: Long Dorsey Ellis Harvey Jackson Balmer Out of 75 guys listed as DL per the NFLs website: http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/fulldraft?type=position&position=DL Id say only about 13 of those guys are serious consideration for defense changers: Chubb-Maybe, well see Garrett Bosa Clowney Donald Richardson-Maybe Cox-Maybe Dareus-For a time Watt Suh Pierre-Paul Dorsey Ellis so your argument has been noted. But proved wrong based on how many busts or DLmen that were drafted in the 1st round but never amounted to anything. To put into perspective, there were 75 DL drafted in the first round, from 08-18. there was only 44 RBs in the first round from 04-18. And I included the 2nd and 3rd rounders that I listed from the same time span. It’s probably a 40-50% rate that early RBs are at the least very good. Vs about 20-40% that DEs and DTs are very good. Someone else can do the exact math. My brain hurts from proving you wrong.