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You will see the owners pushing for increased salary caps in the upcoming years. The only way to keep the Jones of the nfl happy to try and buy their championships.

This is exactly one of my arguments for getting a RB in the draft. Even more so with the 1st round. You have the ability to sign to the 5th year option. This year Barkley is on the 5th year option and only costing about 7m. Here’s a breakdown of 5th year options prices for each position currently. Fifth-year option salaries for players who achieve playtime criterion Quarterback | $22.4 million Running Back | $5.7 million Wide Receiver | $13.4 million Tight End | $6.9 million Offensive Lineman | $13.2 million Defensive End | $12.4 million Defensive Tackle | $10.8 million Linebacker | $11.7 million Cornerback | $12.0 million Safety | $7.9 million Special Teams | $3.9 million it actually makes sense to draft a 1st round RB because the potential for that player being the best at their position in the draft is greater than almost any other position. And with RBs you have the chances of a rookie coming in right away and being a difference maker is greater than almost any position as they have the smallest learning curve. This way you get the most out of the position in the first 4-5 years and can rinse/repeat. It’s much easier to replace that RB than it is to replace a OL or WR or CB. Which is why, when you get a true starter at one of those positions, you resign them. Like White, Dawkins, Diggs, Davis,etc. One of my bigger issues with Singletary at this point. Unless he’s signing a new contract for league minimum, does anyone really want to pay him? I mean it’s not my money, but if he wants a raise he can go as far as I’m concerned. Sucks that Moss hasn’t done anything to relieve the stress of losing Singletary. He’s been even more unforgettable. Not a terrible idea. Because you have holes and the position is deep. You could possibly walk away with 2 starters. Problem is, what happens when White comes back? Someone that has ability to start is sitting on the bench picking their nose. Probably better to try and fill starting spots at multiple positions.

I agree with this 100%. Chances of us trading Diggs this season are almost 0%. If anything, if they are unable to lock him up long term before the season starts; you may see him traded next offseason. Assuming Davis has a huge breakout year. Assuming you possibly draft a Diggs replacement with a 1-3rd pick. I want Diggs to retire in a Bills Jersey. But if he’s going to demand the kind of paydays that Hill or Adams just hit, then he can go.

That’s completely understandable by almost everyone here. The bigger argument is…. Take the 4-5th best CB, 4-5th best WR, 2-4th best OL, or the 1-2nd best RB. Once you hit a drop off in any of those positions you might as well just wait another round or 2. Maximize your pick where you have it.

I actually agree with you about OL. And even assuming we don’t get Bates back I still believe we’ve upgraded at OL this off-season. Saffold is a huge upgrade for us. Yes we need a RG. And yes we need depth. But that could potentially be found in the 2-4th rounds. Williams was terrible at RG. And you are correct that down the stretch out line got better. Maybe that was Bates. Or maybe that was Brown playing better and being more comfortable. Maybe it was the consistency of all 5 playing together for the first time all year. there’s plenty of what if’s. End of the day we lost a chance at the SB because the coaching of McDermott imo. But that doesn’t mean every season will be the same.

I’d expect him to get on top of the WR room before the RB room if that was the case. But they would have to be there to make it worth it for them. the only ones that have a shot at making it to us at 25 and only ones worthy of picking there are: Burks Williams Olave Dotson After that you wait until the 2nd or 3rd round and get a guy like: Watson Pickens Pierce Metchie After that I think to wait until rd 4-5 and try for: Thornton Phillips Gray I am not a fan at all of Austin III

I won’t disagree that we “were” close to winning a SB. Our offense may take a step forward this year or may take a step back. Could be down a RG. Could be down the safety net that Beasley brought for Josh. Could be down the veteran leadership that Sanders brought. I personally believe we’ve upgraded at WR but remains to be seen. Cole was a first down machine. and I agree that the coaching cost us the game against the chiefs. It at the same time I don’t know if I believe McDermott will learn from it. He hasn’t shown me that yet. He constantly makes bad game time decisions imo. but if the Offense and Allen had a RB to lean on, they may have won another game or 2 throughout the year. Like the 50mph wind game against Pats. Or the Steelers game. Or the Jags game. Giving us home field in the playoffs and less of a worry about the Chiefs in the divisional game. regardless what happens, they can’t be overly happy about the production of their backfield. If they were, they wouldn’t keep drafting 3rd rounders. They wouldn’t keep picking up FAs like Breida, Johnson, Mckissic.

That all part of it. I don’t expect them to go into the draft with the CBs currently on the roster. and I will continue to admit that I don’t think a RB in rd1 is a priority. Nor do I think it is with a move up assuming nothing else changes. My arguments are, and will be that we need a game breaking RB. Doesn’t matter where he comes from, or how we get him. Our offense is missing that piece. I was not interested in CMC because he’s making too much and he’s constantly hurt. But I would take a flyer in Barkley because his price tag is significantly less. I’ve been a fan of trading Edmunds for Barkley. Saving about 5m. Drafting your MLB in the 3-4th rd

IOL or CB is way too much of a need to draft RB at 25. I admit that. WR was but then we signed Crowder and I feel like they will settle for a 3-5rd WR (with this years depth). Davis and Diggs will start on the outside, McKenzie abs Crowder will see a lot in the slot. A 3-5th rd rookie will likely be a true speed guy and will get in situationally. I would probably draft Zion or Kenyon in the first if they are there and either Elam, Stingley, Booth, Mcduffie aren’t there. If all 6 are gone, there’s a good chance you can get Olave, Dotson, Burks, Williams. I wouldn’t expect a trade back and pick up extra picks but a trade back up into the 2nd round is much more believable. We’ve shown we are willing to do that in the past. Willing to give up a 1st round pick, or multiple picks in the following year to do so. Best scenario for me would probably be: -Williams or Olave in the first -trade back into early to mid rd 2 if Hall is there and take him there. -if you still keep your 57th pick, take the best corner available, or best IOL. Likely McCreary, Woolen, Gordon, Emerson, Rhyan, Smith, Hayes. they have plenty of mid to late round picks to trade up with. Since they likely won’t make the team anyway. And since we’re in win now mode, next years picks could be a way to make some of that happen. of course this isn’t Madden and not 100% possible. But there’s ways to move around on draft day. I fully expect Beane to be moving up and down throughout the days.

Man. Just imagine what we could do with an actual good RB. For those of you still wondering about the effectiveness out of a 4.65 40 time for a RB. Took me a whole 13 seconds to look it up. https://medium.com/the-sports-scientist/what-40-yard-dash-times-produce-the-best-running-backs-dd5d35eab471 Worst: 4:60–4.69 If a running back runs in the 4.60's statistically they are already at a disadvantage to be a top running back. These running backs typically don’t last in the NFL for that long only averaging 4.6 seasons. This results in them obtaining less yards during their tenure in the NFL. They are also the second worst time in yards per attempt, and in the bottom half of ranking of running backs in the top 10%. There’s a debate that running backs who run in the 4.80’s are worse but since the sample size is too small compared to 4.60–4.69, there’s more confidence that the stats for the 4.60’s are more accurate and closer to the actual result.

I won’t disagree with the need for a CB and a IOL and WR early in the draft (unless we pick up some more vets cheap). And I don’t advocate for taking a RB in Rd1 because of those needs. But the fact remains, we don’t have a RB on this team that is good enough. Singletary is fine. But he’s anything but a feature back. “Almost 1,000” is not a legitimate argument when your talking about a back that has his best year ever and was still over 2 games away from reaching that goal. Oh, and he did that in a 17 game season. Take away his average per game and he would have finished with 819 yards. That’s not exactly game breaking. I’m not saying we have a need for a 300+ carry back a year. I’m saying we have a need that can get more out of his limited usage. I’m saying we need a RB that can do everything and is a 3 down back. Rushing. Receiving. Blocking. Has the ability to take the ball to the house on any given play. A RB that defensive coordinators have to account for. Motor does none of that at a very high level. My point, which you are jaded by your hatred for me (makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside), Was made. My point is that the majority of SB teams since 1999, have had lead backs. Being an “elite back” has nothing to do with it. Having a back that is capable of doing everything on the field and not having to substitute for another is the goal. Singletary is not a speed back. He is not a goal line back. He does not scare defenses in any way. Which all hinders Allen and the offense because teams don’t have the need to stack boxes against us. Or gameplan for a RB that moves out of the backfield into the slot, or out wide. thanks for the warm and fuzzies. Glad to know I’m still on your mind.

The 2021 Rams had 800+ yards out of Michel, almost 700 yards from Henderson, and Akers had 5 carries all year. 1500+ yards from your #2 and #3 RBs are hardly an ideal argument for you. I’d imagine if they could have, Akers would have been huge in their plans all year. The 2020 Bucs had almost 1,000 yards with Jones, and almost another 400 out of Fournette. The 2018 Pats had 900+ out of Michel. 400+ out of White, Burkhead and Patterson with right around 200 each. The 2017 Pats had 896 out of Lewis, almost 400 out of Gillislee, and another 200 or so out of Burkhead and White. And the losers of those SBs all had very good running games too the 2021 Bengals had over 1,200 with Mixon the 2020 Chiefs had CEH who also missed 3 games and still had 800 yards. The 2018 Rams had over 1,200 with Gurley The 2017 Eagles, and the 2019 49ers were really the only ones on that list that didn’t have clear cut number 1 RBs. Of course they all had other players running the ball and being effective. They are Super Bowl teams. Jeez. It’s not rocket science. But as I pointed out. Having a 1,000 yard back, or very close to a 1,000 yard back is almost essential. I understand the want and desire to not take balls away from your other playmakers like Allen, Diggs, Davis, etc. but it appears that having a good RB that can get close to 1,000 yards takes pressure off the passing game, keeps defenses honest, and creates the need to gameplan for everything. Devin Singletary will still be a decent back. He will still be capable of putting up yards and being counted on. Just like every one of those teams you mentioned having multiple backs. But the offenses with good backs are just as dynamic or more then those without one.

Thanks. It took some time as I was falling asleep on my couch at midnight. Looking everything up on my phone. I could have included much more content that I noticed but at some point I had to cut it off. Things like the Seahawks and Shaun Alexander having 1800 yard seasons and 27TDs. Only to lose to the Steelers with Ben throwing about 2500 yards. Willie Parker had over 1,200 rushing yards and Bettis was still on the team and had almost 500 I think. There was plenty of other situations like this. Not to this extent because Alexander had one of the best years for a RB ever. But there were more. Like the year the Seahawks lost to the Pats when they should have just ran Lynch up the middle for 1-2 yards instead of getting cute with a Russell Wilson pass. Just shows that the argument for having a top RB is not important is false. More than 50% of teams that make it to the SB since 1999 have had good to dominant run games. And I’m not taking away from the QB play. Obviously that is important. Most important imo. But the % of teams that got there with a RB that produced less than 900 yards in a season are very slim. And you have to factor in the Pats that won it like 5 times in the middle of that run and had like 3 RB by committee and each back was going for 300-500 yards.

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Yeah. I guess I was proven wrong because you used the first team all pro thing. Which is comical. The fact is, that everyone on this site has been arguing the importance of having a legitimate RB that actually produces. If you want to get picky about someone being an all pro then that’s your prerogative

the following super winners since 1999 all disagree with you. 2000 Ravens with Jamal Lewis, 1,300+ yards, 6TDs 2001 Patriots with Antwon Smith, 1,100+ yards, 12TDs 2004 Patriots with Corey Dillon, 1,600+ yards, 12TDs 2005 Steelers with Willie Parker, 1,200+ yards 2012 Ravens with Ray Rice, 1,100+ yards, 9TDs 2013 Seahawks with Marshawn Lynch, 1,200+ yards, 12TDs 2016 Patriots with Legarrette Blount, 1,100+ yards, 18TDs Then there’s other super winners that had respectable 1,000+ yard seasons with their RBs. And anyone that wants to argue that nothing is special about a 1,000 yard season, needs to look directly at Devin Singletary and how he has never had a 1,000 yard season. 2006 Colts had 1,000+ with Addai 2007 Giants had 1,000+ with Jacobs Then there’s the teams that lost the Super Bowls in those years as well. I’ve already done enough work to make my point but off the top of my head the following teams were all run heavy. All had over 1,000+ yard rushers. 1999 Titans 2000 Giants 2001 Rams 2003 Panthers 2005 Seahawks 2006 Bears 2010 Steelers 2012 49ers 2013 Broncos 2014 Seahawks 2016 Falcons 2018 Rams 2021 Bengals

A punter will not go in round 3. Period. Al Davis isn’t around anymore. It’s not happening. I could see the Bills going 5th at best for him only because the other picks they have after that won’t make the team anyway. Or will get sniped off our PS. “arent planning to punt much” is comical. All teams punt and all teams have a punter and want one they can count on to not screw up. As it is, Haack is terrible and cost us the Pittsburgh game last year. Which we all know, any 1 game that we lost that we should have won, would have given us home field in the playoffs.

Or 50mph wind gusts

I don’t know how the hell Stingley lasted that long but I ran to the podium as soon as it was my turn. Ended up trading back with Tampa Bay in rd2 and picked up the extra pick at 91 and 60 for only and 57 and next years 5th. It was a no brainer. Especially since I ended up with Pickens in that spot. Could have went with Metchie or Watkins there but I happen to like Pickens more. His ceiling is much higher imo. Could really be that true #1 in time. overall I’m happy with everything. Missed out on Ford and Cook at RB by about 2-3 picks in rounds 3 and 4 so went with a true speed guy in Strong. Ended up with a possible starter on the OL with Hayes, a potential replacement for Edmunds in Asamoah, our punter for the next 12 years, and depth at DB and IOL. my newest draft assuming WR isn’t a huge need now that we have Crowder. Which honestly, I think bodes well for the Breece Hall crowd. But for now I’ll pass that up if he’s not there in the 2nd round. He almost never makes it past Miami at 50. If not way sooner. 25. Derek Stingley Jr. CB LSU 60. George Pickens WR Georgia 89. Marquis Hayes OG Oklahoma 91. Brian Asamoah II LB Oklahoma 132. Zyon McCollum CB Sam Houston State 140. Pierre Strong Jr. RB South Dakota State 185. Justin Shaffer OG Georgia 231. Matt Araiza P San Diego State

I’m just proud of your GIF linking skills. They are on point.

Nothing strikes fear into the hearts of your opponents like Duke Johnson. keep up the great work Mike

My newest mock with some trade backs. Decided to bolster the OL and DB position before anything. Also picked up Tremaines replacement. All of the WRs were late picks but they are all really fast and agile. Filling that slot role, and weapon to take it deep on any given play. 30. Kenyon Green, OG Texas A&M 57. Kyler Gordon, CB Washington 89. Zion McCollum, CB Sam Houston State 90. Quay Walker, LB Georgia 102. James Cook, RB Georgia 121. Jelani Woods, TE Virginia 130. Kyle Philips, WR UCLA 185. Bo Melton, WR Rutgers 203. Velus Jones Jr., WR Tennessee 231. Matt Araiza, P San Diego State

Yes. You are Mike Schoop. Always thinking you are better and more important than anyone else. Always thinking your opinion is the only one that matters. Keep up the good work Mike. You’ve been rocking it on a Bills message board for 20 years. It shows how knowledgeable you are.

Don’t flatter yourself. Your opinion is meaningless.

I just realized it. You are Mike Schoop. It’s also a realization why I stopped posting on this site about 4 years ago. Because people are more stubborn than I am and refuse to ever listen to another’s discussion. Your argument is only in absolutes and there’s obviously more ways to think about it. The fact is, that there will be team that takes Hall or another top RB earlier than later in the draft. Weather they will make an impact will be determined based on what team drafts them and if they are primed for a Super Bowl run like we are. Im not saying that RB is our only piece we are missing. I’m simply stating that a dynamic RB is a missing from this offense. And would help immensely. Have a good day