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Agree with you 100% but the fact is we don’t, won’t, and never will.

McD will throw Beane under the bus before he gets the ax. You’ll see Beane gone before McD imo. Because Terry and Sean are both over sensitive ra ra types that preach team atmosphere and players that Tow the company line over winning.

It just feels like it wasn’t ever even the consideration. And covering all or the majority of fans could have been done just like Tottenheim for just a little more. but maybe that answers all that, like I said, they aren’t targeting 20 somethings spending their weekly paychecks in tickets. They are targeting families, business, corporate dollars, the few that are interested in spending ridiculous funds to go to games. They’ve created enough climate controlled seats in the new stadium to please that crowd while still providing enough seats for the natty ice chuggers to go also. The majority of the 500 level will be cheap seats. Just about all other seats are going to be rather expensive. This way they can say they still kept the stadium for Bills fans while lining their pockets with big dollars from the expensive seats. I’d say 50/50 at best as far as cheap seats vs other.

This is where I’m at. I understand, always did, and always will, that I have no say in any of it. but with the amenities they provide will be a huge deciding factor if I continue my season tickets. For the prices that I expect them to demand from fans.

Like I said before. Someone get me Pegulas phone number. I’ll be happy to send over my grievances.

This is the best way to sum it all up. If it was anyone here buying a new $60k car, everyone would be looking at features, comfort, power, etc. but since the state, county, city, and team have deemed this is what we are getting we should all just shut up and accept it. Especially people that don’t even live here, or don’t attend games on a regular basis.

I don’t believe the survey the bills took had anything to do with wants of the new stadium. Only a way to generate an amount of money that people will pay before pushing them too much. At least that’s the survey I received. Never was I asked in any survey if I’d prefer a dome vs open air. Or never was I asked if I wanted covered or heated seats. I was only asked if which seats, which I would prefer. The way they asked the questions in the survey were just there to find out how much they could push everyone as far as possible to pay as much as possible. I think it would be pretty close to split between dome or not. But I bet the vast majority of fans that thought it would be open air, much of the fan base would be covered. Just like Tottenheim stadium. Just like they advertised it at first. Barely covering half of the fans is far from what they originally stated. They also didn’t mention that the majority of seats that are covered and heated will be high priced club seats. We expected much of that but not all of that. At least I did. It’s disappointing to say the least. Time will tell I guess. Hope I’m wrong about all of it. I hope there’s many covered and heated seats that don’t price out many people that are looking for that now. But clubs in the current stadium are roughly $2500+ a season per ticket. That’s before the 12% increase across the board this year. And that’s before the new stadium is built. Many assume ticket prices will double once the new stadium is here. I expect at least double if not triple. If we’re talking about 5k-7500 a ticket, I think it’s too much. Again, unlike others here want to say some can’t afford it. It’s not the point. It’s not about if they can’t afford it, it’s about if they should. And it’s about those prices, essentially pricing out a huge majority of Bills fans that go to games now. There’s reasons why they made the venue smaller. Because they have a hard time filling the stadium now as it is. Then add in the increased ticket prices and you will have serious issues. Especially in the winter time when they almost never sell out games despite what people want to say. Damn right we will

Right.

I love your jokes Fergy. They are truly hilarious. Made me chuckle. Until the very end. When you said we need to improve it to attract real football fans. The fact is that with the prices of the new stadium, people that spend that kind of money will want some comfort. I’ve been to hundreds of games at RWS and I can say that I absolutely love my experiences there. And regardless what some here say, spending $8k a year on a pair of tickets for 8 games is too much. I suppose there are people that will pay for it. Of course they will. But the fact is that those people are not the same people that everyone thinks of when they talk about Bills Mafia. They are a whine and cheese crowd in the preferred Bills parking lots that pull into the lot at 11am with their Escalades and Navigators. That’s fine. And I’ll likely be buying seats in the new stadium in some capacity. But let’s not get it confused who the Bills are targeting with this new stadium. They say they want to keep it affordable for people in the area, and continue to have Bills fans attend games, all while pricing the vast majority of fans out right out of the blocks. Which is what my issue is from the start. sure I can pay for tickets. But do I really want to spend $1000 every time I go to a game? Maybe if I wasn’t freezing my ass off while I was there it would make it easier to stomach that. I think the bigger problem is what the majority would have wanted considering tax payer funds are paying for it. If Pegula would have built it himself then nobody has any argument in any of this. But it’s tax payer money and it feels like they shorted the tax payers on what we could have had for the money. But what am I thinking, expecting people in power in NYS care about their constituents.

Actually I believe it’s owned by the county. At least RWS was

Even a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and then. We’re going to be waiting a long time work McD if we stick with him

Many believe McD has more say in the draft process. His desire to keep drafting Defensive players is proof of that.

Yet we still have problems beating good teams when it matters. Chiefs twice, texans once and bengals once. We had the lead in all but one of those games at once point. A huge lead against Texans, and a lead against the chiefs with almost zero time left on the clock. Yet McDermott Continues to not learn from his mistakes.

He has literally adapted to nothing. He has improved either.

Right. I’ll continue to say it. McD isn’t a wartime consigliere. An actual good coach and not a clapper might have though.

You’re cute. It’s awesome that you can’t even think of your own line and you keep using mine. Just like all the other 20 somethings still in mommies basement.

You’ve mentioned it earlier in this thread on how you feel I’m not the type of person they are targeting with this new stadium. Curious how you came to that considering you k ow nothing about me or how old I am. What my income is. What my job is. Just curious how old you think I am. I’ll just tell you. I’m in my 40s. Not sure how you believe my age range is out date, or that I’m an old man. Only thing I can think of is you are in your 20s. And if that’s the case, you’re right, your age is exactly who the Bills are targeting. Only 15 years from now when you actually have a career and your not just the kid that bitters the bread at the local Nick Tahoos. they are absolutely trying to cater to people that would prefer more comforts while being at the stadium than there are not available at the current stadium. Not kids drinking booze in the parking lots. You’ll see one day when you grow up.

I continue to go back because I enjoy the game of football and friends that enjoy that with every game at tailgates, etc. but you will see soon enough that many things are going to change. As much as I enjoy watching the game, spending 8k a year on tickets is absolutely stupid. If you believe otherwise, you are either ok with throwing away money, or clueless and had no idea that’s what many tickets will end up costing. Unless you are ok with sitting a half a mile up in the 500s. Which, if you are, you probably get hammered off natty ices in the lots and take your shirt off for the games in the winter because you’re super cool and get on TV. and if you don’t think this area has a small mind mentality in general, you are more clueless than I thought. It’s part of the charm of the area and Weatern NYets pride themselves on being close knit the way we are. Hell, even the millionaire athletes on the team talk about the community. But the fact is, this area has went through multiple instances where the small mind mentality has cost progress in the area. If you don’t know that, you’re too young, or have no idea. Either way, it’s not your fault, probably the Rochester schooling.

It’s funny we’re exactly the same except on separate ends of the argument. You’re just as bullish and stubborn as I am about your side of it. And you keep throwing in that I’m the one that’s bothered by it. I’ve stated multiple times now that I said it will be an upgrade over what we have now but could have been so much more. And people here have brought up facts and costs of current stadiums being built as well, recent stadiums that were built, and the increase costs with inflation and you still don’t think we could have had more. You’re the one that thinks I should cancel my season tickets, as if that would prove anything to the Bills anyway. It won’t. Half of the fan base could cancel their tickets and they will still just keep plugging along with what they’ve planned. No, I’ll continue to pay for my season tickets, and then sell them for double to some clueless people from Rochester.

Yeah. Pretty sure I’m not scared about believing my opinion or not. Or for that matter the bills or Nys believing in my opinion. I’m already aware they will do whatever they want anyway. I’m just not a fan of Blindly accepting getting bent over and told what is supposed to be good like you are apparently. last I checked, message boards are generally here for people to discuss things. And you haven’t proven to discuss anything other that telling the people that came here to discuss how unimpressed we are, that we’re babies. Because you have no more information than we do. And you are the one here that seems to think that despite the Bills org coming out with renderings that they say what the stadium will look like, they will provide something different. Grats, your Rochester taxes are helping pay for the stadium in my city while only utilizing it a few times a year. And thinking you’r opinion is any more important than anyone else’s, all while accepting the useless stadium that you as a tax payer is paying for, but had no say in any of it. Just like anyone else on this message board. Except you think your opinion of the people that don’t like it should matter. I understand it’s not happening but a retractable dome prolly would have. Covering all the stands like tottenheim a close second

Yeah. We’ve come to that conclusion

Lol. Youre comical dude. Don’t go to more than a game or 2 a year and you think you have an opinion on it. More than someone that’s had season tix for almost 20 years. Tell me what experience you have in the stadium that should be forwarded to Terry when I talk to him? That the 2 games a year that you go to in September the weather is just fine and the need for covered seats isn’t needed at all? love you out of towners that come into town 3 times a year and talk about what the Buffalo Bills should represent and how awesome an atmosphere it is here. Personally I’m embarrassed by stupid fat people jumping through tables, doing butt chugs in the parking lots, and covering themselves in ketchup and mustard. It makes the entire region look like a bunch of idiots and it’s exactly what the NFL, the Bills org, and the city wants to get away from. Which is why they aren’t giving us anything very nice, it’s also why they are raising ticket prices so much that all the 20 year olds spending their McDonald’s paychecks going to games won’t be able to afford it anymore. tell me, are you that bothered by the fact that you really have no identifiable opinion of the stadium if you don’t live in the area or go to games on a regular basis? Who’s the whiney B on a message board now?

Buffalo loser mindset. I never should have moved back. Now I work for this terrible state and have no choice but to stay another 12-13 years until I can retire and GTFO Loser buffalo mindset. Many wanted a dome. They claimed it wasn’t cost effective. Covering all the seats would have been a great option. You can clearly see they never even thought of it

Well, you’d think they would have learned from the first time before holding ours. my biggest issue with the design of the stadium is the coverage of the seating. Tottenheim appears to cover almost every single fan. Ours doesn’t look like it even covers the entire 500 levels. It’s concerning. It was a way to get the coverage of the fans like a dome without the cost of a dome. It could have been done which is apparent by looking at Tottenheim, but they opted to not do it. I’d say it probably has honestly. Because this economy is terrible. I’d also point out that the costs of doing business in NYS is more than anywhere else. But still, it could have been had for similar to what we are expected to pay.