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What on earth are you talking about?? The 14-2 season was with Rivers, not Brees. The Chargers were far and away the better team, but Marty screwed it up again. Why did he go for it on 4th and 11? Why did he stop wearing the headset that game? Lose a playoff game here and there, that's one thing. 5-13 is a trend. And now he's 66, going on 67. PASS.

Please no Marty. Marty was a failure in this league. His 5-13 playoff record speaks volumes. Not to mention he'll be 67 before the 2010 season begins. No Marty-ball!!

Sorry, had to rewind the DVR a few times to get it all.

Did anyone see it? Jason Smith can eat my ass. "The Buffalo Bills remind me of the freshman high school nerd who think that just because the homecoming queen isn't dating anyone she'd go to the prom with him if he asked. Ralph Wilson, please put away your pocket protector, your bug collection, your most powerful World of Warcraft character. Bill Cowher and Mike Shanahan are not coming to Buffalo. Cowher turned down your overtures Monday night, and Shanahan is only meeting with you to let the rest of the NFL know he's ready to return to the sidelines. What coach who's won a Super Bowl is going to go to Buffalo where you're looking up at the Patriots for as long as Tom Brady is there, and attracting free agents to Western New York - or possibly Toronto - is harder than finding a positive story about Jon Gosselin. Small market teams like Buffalo are breeding grounds for the up and coming coordinators or hot shot college coaches looking to get in anywhere at the next level. This is where your pool of candidates will come from. Know where you are on the NFL food chain. Or just make Terrell Owens the head coach. Sure, the offense would be predictable, but it would be a lot of fun to watch 75 straight offensive plays all go to #81. 'Get your popcorn ready, we're gonna run the same play.'"

I was referring to you talking about your business dealings you !@#$ing idiot. You really don't have a clue, do you? Scroll up to your own comments. Dipshit. Furthermore, Peters was signed in 2005(?) to a one-year, $425,000 deal. In 2006 he signed a 5-year, $15M deal. He wanted a new deal only a year later. In 2008 as we all know, he sat out and had a very poor season. I'm not going to get into the "we should/shouldn't have paid him" in 2007 since the argument is moot. But your argument is still worthless, so is your 'evidence.' What else is new.

Actually, Jonas Jennings was not traded. He was signed by the 49ers in free agency, and at the age of 27. Got any more pearls of wisdom? Furthermore, Peters said when he was traded that he was fed up and was going to just play out his contract and sign elsewhere as a free agent. Do your own goddamned homework.

Actually I was calling you a moron because of your ridiculous comments ("rife with silliness," etc.). And you are a moron. Furthermore, the Pro Bowl selection process is more often than not based on name recognition and popularity than by actual achievements in the year nominated. So yes, the process is a joke. Being nominated, however, while players deserve it more often than not, but be further examined and taken with a grain of salt. Like so many before him, Peters was voted to a Pro Bowl he did not deserve. Since that seems to be your biggest reason as to keeping him, you might want to take a step back and look at the other tackles that clearly deserved to go in his place. If not for the high profile Favre, I think Peters would have been known as the biggest '08 Pro Bowl mistake. Additionally, your little blurb (missing a citation, I might add) is anecdotal at best. I have no idea who wrote that, or more importantly, when it was written. It could have been written as early as 2006, and by the end of 2006 it would have looked like the author was correct. However, by the end of 2008 it's clear that the author was not right, and even moreso now. There has not been the consistency needed to be "one of the best left tackles in the game." But again, that's something you conveniently ignore. One more thing, "'my' business dealings"? What business would that be? Drug-related, I can only assume? And you haven't "made it easy." No, you're right, you haven't. You present little to no evidence to support your point, and your logic is faulty at best, but the sheer volume of your posts does make it difficult. Why don't you try to correct my English again? That really helped your argument out the last time. "I'll demonstrate." Yeah, you certainly did...

That's your post?? Can we assume there will be more coaches available, or just these two?

No, you wouldn't. You want Shanahan's offense. His defense was horrendous. I'd rather take a shot with a hot coordinator at this point.

Agreed. 1) He wants to bring that same pourous defense with him? 2) I remember being in salary cap hell; it was not fun.

I'm not your buddy. I'm not your amigo, your pal, or your friend. If you died in a fire tonight I wouldn't feel the slightest bit bad about it. I might actually throw a party. Overmatched by you? Hardly. Want to give me another English lesson there tough guy? You want to try to tell me that giving up 6-8 sacks/year is okay for the highest paid 'elite' tackle in the game? Go ahead, defend it. No, not all of our players on IR are fat and lazy. But none of them held out of training camp and then showed up out of shape. See the difference? Still with me? Good. So all Pro Bowlers deserve the nomination? Brett Favre deserved it last year over Rivers? You think Peters deserved it over Ryan Clady who didn't give up a full sack all season?? Keep relying on that to make your case you !@#$ing idiot. And actually, we got three draft picks for Peters. But I guess that's just me being 'rife with silliness' again. Moron.

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I don't think anybody's saying he was a 'lousy' OT. But consistency is the key to being an elite tackle, and he just doesn't have it. We didn't get better by losing him and NOT replacing him adequately, of course, but had we replaced him adequately we could have gotten the better of this whole deal with the draft picks, the cap space, and the lack of locker room cancer. Let's see how the 2010 draft goes.

Let's get this overwith. I've never 'met' a bigger douchebag than you, honestly. Hand to God. An undertone, as per the dictionary, is "a quality (as of emotion) underlying the surface of an utterance or action." Do you want to explain the subtle differences between an overtone and an undertone Bill Shakespeare? DIAF. Second of all, my point about the Patriots was that you have to take a contrarian point of view if you want to get ahead, especially in a sport with a salary cap. Read Moneyball. It's a start. You listen to all the 'experts' (although the only one I know that sings his praises was Collinsworth) - these are the same guys that sang the praises of Vick even though he never completed more than 57% of his passes over the course of the season, never thrown for 3,000 yards. They same guys that said the Patriots were finished after cutting Lawyer Milloy. Don't do any of your own research, don't actually watch the games, just rely on the opinions of other people. Loser. Third, Peters holding out and showing up in horrible shape is not an excuse for poor play. He chose to hold out. By his own actions, he was not in game shape. Apparently it didn't matter, since he showed up for camp this year and it didn't prevent him from getting injured. Fourth, "he was right to be paid like one"...except he isn't one. You don't pay a player elite money unless he's earned it and, more importantly, convinced you that he will continue to perform at that high level in the future. A) he hadn't earned it, and B) he didn't convince anyone that he would perform after payday. B) is coming true right now. Sorry, you missed the "from me" that was implied. In other words, there's no hate for Peters from me. Pdaddy? DIAF. But yes, there is plenty of hate from Peters on the board. And agreed on Bell, but I don't agree on that Peters goes without blame this season. If you are consistently injured, some of that can be attributed to a lack of conditioning. If he suffers from chronic injuries, then it will be clear that Buffalo got the best of that trade. If he plays the next ten years giving up less than two sacks a year (which I find highly unlikely) in the mold of a Pace or an Ogden, then Philly will have gotten the best of the trade. We will see, but at the moment, Peters has not been worth the four draft picks OR the max contract he got.

Actually, if you remembered, this is almost verbatim what Russ Brandon had said. I'm not sure that our offer was bigger than Philly's, but it was the largest in team history and he turned it down, and that he had every intention of merely playing out his contract and skipping town. But you don't remember how Peters played over the course of the season, I wouldn't expect you to remember such a 'mundane' detail as this.

Of course Ruben was solid. But in case you missed in, the difference between 'solid' and 'elite' is enormous. Peters didn't want to be paid like a solid LT, he wanted to be paid like an elite one. Even ignoring the stats (which you obviously do), if you actually watched Peters play in '08 you would have known he didn't deserve the Pro Bowl nomination. If you think everyone who makes the Pro Bowl deserves it - most notably the offensive linemen - then you're even a bigger joke than I think you are, which is impressive. Actually, the good GM's are the ones who can be contrarian at the right times and know the values of their players. Ever notice how Belichick lets his role players go and they do so little (i.e. David Givens, Deion Branch, Lawyer Milloy) after the fact? Because Cris Collinsworth knows Peters' name he's worth $11M+/year? Give me a break dude. You're a complete joke. There's no hate for Jason Peters. For you? Yes. But him, he's merely a lazy, but amazingly gifted athlete that put himself above the team. But I don't sit around stewing about him or the situation, just calling it as I see it. You are just a dipshit, no matter how many exclamation points, capital letters, or sarcastic undertones you use.

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A very well thoughtout response. You might be right about Bell. Injured twice this year, the second time a season-ender. A disaster for...Philly, then? Then why read and respond? Furthermore, there's TONS of pointless **** on this board, much worse than the current status of Jason Peters. I disagree with that completely. Peerless would rip it up when he was single-covered by a team's #2 corner. Evans gets open against double coverage and team's top DB's - we just can't get him the ball. Is he Larry Fitzgerald? No. But he's not Peerless Price. You're right. I should have simply ignored you instead of responding. And you've done nothing to shred what I said about last night's game and the Peters situation in general. TheBandit comes out and makes a statement, and backs it up with statistics. I countered it with my own view and my statistics. What do you do? You laugh (a lot...I'm not sure really what's all that funny) and call us "haters" and "Stevie Wonder" and make absurd arguments about the Pro Bowl (apparently you weren't around when Ruben Brown continued to make the Pro Bowl years after he was relevant). Then the guy with rotating caps has the audacity to talk down to us by saying "you can't educate the unwilling" yet you've produced not one shred of evidence that even suggests Peters is playing well or that we should have kept him. So yeah, I'm going to try to ignore your worthless arguments from now on. Hopefully it'll work. I recommend others try to as well. That's my point. Of course he has the physical skills. But this isn't baseball. If, as an LT, you are successful in stopping your guy 90% of the time from getting to the quarterback you're still a failure! It sucks, but that's why you get paid the big bucks: consistency.

Thanks for posting this. San Diego has had issues for years getting a new stadium and has threatened to leave (they wanted to build it in ****ty Chula Vista, but it never happened), but I think finally they're getting somewhere in these negotiations. They are talking about building one downtown near where the Padres play, IIRC. Oakland is having major issues and would be a logical choice to move there: bay area fans are already 49er fans and they're a better team anyway. The ones that aren't will make the occasional trek down to the LA area. There have to be residual LA Raider fans too. I would love to see them go instead of Jacksonville since that would still leave the Jags as the #1 contender for relocation for whatever the next city is (you cited San Antonio, for instance). The LA Lakers doesn't make any sense either. Not according to Forbes. I know, I know, it would have taken a full ten seconds to look it up: http://bizoffootball.com/index.php?option=...n&Itemid=61

I'm 6'0" 188 and eight months removed from spinal micro-surgery. Haven't played organized football in two years, and haven't played a non-kicking position in three. But I did start a football game at TE my 'rookie' season of semi-pro. I'll be waiting by the phone, Russ.

Can someone who actually knows what their talking about (not the wannabe trainers on the board) explain exactly what Wood had done? Also, I honestly think Wood will be fine by next season, and McKinney, well, no offense to him but he's not going to be on this team for long anyhow. Wood will get some time off and a ton of painkillers, he'll get revered by his teammates, coaches, and the media, and he'll have plenty of time in the weight room not only for rehabilitation, but to keep his upper body strength up. That's a few months away, of course, but I'm really really skeptical of the people calling this a career-ender just because they saw what happened to Joe Theismann live on MNF years ago.

You're an idiot. No response needed. Go back to your lunch break.

I understand that people want to let it go. Usually I'm in that camp, I just happened to notice he was playing and got into it a bit. I certainly don't seek out Eagles games on Sunday (I'm not that crazy/bitter). I did see some good plays from him, can't deny that. On the Jackson TD he handled his man perfectly. But it's not enough to do that if you're an 'elite' tackle; you have to do that consistently. Let's say for argument's sake he gave up one sack and two penalties. That kind of performance, while certainly not horrible (not like D. Bell's four penalties and two sacks, or Winston Justice giving up six sacks a few years back) is not worthy of top dollar. I agree that the Bills !@#$ed up the LT situation - how can you argue otherwise? I also agree that bumping up his salary before this became an issue, in hindsight, was probably the way to go. But I will not waiver from these two points, that a) Peters is not worth what he is making (he might have elite skills but he is not nearly consistent enough to earn top dollar) and b) you cannot let one player hold your team hostage. In hindsight we probably should have drafted Oher at #11 (although I still maintain we should have drafted Jamon Meredith over Nic Harris, but that's moot at this point), and traded up from the fifth round to grab Lawrence Sidbury when he was still available (trading up because I loved the Shawn Nelson pick at the time and didn't want to not draft him when we did).

Bandit, give me some credit. I wouldn't have started the first Peters thread without a reason. I was just sitting on my couch, not even thinking about it, when they announced the starting lineup and realized he was playing. Then I noticed he was playing poorly. Just because Cris Collinsworth sings his praises doesn't make him good; it just means he knows who he is. It's kind of like making the pro bowl as an offensive lineman. If people know who you are, you'll get the meager amount of votes needed to make it. Even in the highlights (http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2009112213/2009/REG11/eagles@bears#tab:watch), at 24 seconds a defender goes right around him and McNabb narrowly avoids him to make a great pass. I can absolutely promise you Peters got beaten for at least one sack (sorry if it wasn't two - I took PTR at his word that it was, but I only saw one), probably the sack by Mark Anderson (I didn't DVR the game and I don't think you can watch it all the way through online after the fact). Tommie Harris is a DT so that wouldn't make any sense, and I remember the Lance Briggs sack: Peters got beat, the guy who beat him (I can't remember who it was - they kept changing between Anderson, Adams, and Brown) got to McNabb but Briggs already had him down. Then tack on two penalties for 15 yards. You might not think that's a lot since the Bills are just about the most penalized team on the planet, especially the offensive line, but for one player it certainly is. I don't think in their primes there was ever a game where Jonathan Odgen, Orlando Pace, etc. ever gave up a sack and took two penalties. If they did, it was certainly rare. And pdaddy (no, I'm not doing the rotating caps), if you "could care less" about my opinion (and others), why respond seven different times in a row to this thread? Besides, your opinion is worthless. "Take off the hate colored glasses." What does that even mean? At least the Bandit backs up his argument with stats. Sorry you're frustrated for being 'unable to educate the unwilling.' Give me a break, dude.

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