Mr. WEO

They are backup level QBs, which is the point. So is Jones. Tua, Murray, Herbert, Lawrence all got huge contracts...zero playoff wins. But at least you can point to some points in their careers where they were putting up numbers. Danny Dimes never has. He's been putting up Tyrod Taylor on the Bills numbers. Who offered Tyrod 40 million for that? You can't with a straight face say "wow, Daniel Jones has really fallen off from his 2022 season. His performance now is shocking". Nor could you claim that the Giants are better off this year with Jones and Nabers than, say, Penix and a FA WR---especially after the Giants brain trust got rid of the offense when the let Barkley go.

He's one Josh Allen short of being a potentially decent NFL HC.

They aren't. They are Mac Jones numbers. Mariota numbers. Andy Dalton numbers. Brock Purdy had nearly as many passing TDs in only 5 games. These are/were all backup quality guys at the time. It wasn't even Jones's best season! He's had one season with over 15 TD passes. How many starting NFL QBs keep getting handed the ball year after year with those numbers? He's awful.

He and the Giants were terrible down the stretch--they won 3 of their last 9 games. He was a bad QB in 2021 and 2020. He didn't fall off a cliff....he never made it to the edge of a cliff. Then he was injured. Now he's back and he still sucks. All of this was predictable.

Jones sucks. this was known. the answer is that neither combo can possibly win "this year", gun or none.

maybe you are redefining "obviously"? they've won 2 games. they have the League's worst Offense. how does this give them "a better chance to win now"?

Saleh has been on the hottest of seats for 2 seasons. There's no chance at all Douglas was surprised by this. Johnson was on the phone with Rodgers the night before he fired Salih---and Rodgers also, comically, claims he didn't know. Anyway, the Mara family doesn't have a history of being particularly meddling. Even if Daboll hated Jones, he could have drafted a QB at 6 this year and just rode out Jones's next 2 years. But he didn't.... Jones is Daboll's guy at the time of that contract signing.

the Giants owner and it’s GM are2 different people

man, this kid's slow

Looking at Jones's production even in that prove it year, the owner would have seen far less in Jones than the guys he pays to inform him. Also, the Giants could have corrected their mistake, if Daboll was truly down on Jones, by picking a QB at 6. They again rolled the dice with Jones by picking him a WR.

i don't accept that the HC and GM you recently hired would be given no choice over the most important decision they could be asked to make. As it happened, the Giants didn't pick up his 5th year, making his 4th season his "prove it " year. They won a playoff game and the FO quickly rewarded him with a new contract.

"poor owner"? anyway, that poor owner made a poor choice for HC and GM. I bet another NFL won't make those mistakes.

He was a driving force in re-signing Danny Dimes. He watched Barkley walk out the door. Josh doesn't need Daboll. Daboll needs Josh.

Levis is better. Rudolph is so bad even Mike Tomlin didn’t want him—and the Steelers have thrown 5 TDs all season.

Tenn stinks. Rudolph is them tanking

which one is he now?

Bills Independent Neurotrauma Expert cleared him...

The NFL is in decline....because I say it is!!!! Anyway, to all the "purists" out there: the NFL requires 16 commercial breaks per game (this hasn't changed in YEARS)--8 per half, 2 being mandatory at the end of the 1st and 3rd Q and at the 2 minute warnings. The other 6 per half can be used after TDs/PAT/FG or injury, team TOs. Also total penalties called per game 2015-2023 have decreased 16%. No "premiere RB" has ever averaged 30 carries a game. Only one who came close over a season was 18 years ago... So, in reality, many of the reasons cited in this thread as emblematic of "the decline of the NFL" aren't not fact based, but based on feelings. So why keep posting about a game you no longer enjoy watching?

posters here doing more posturing than Tua on his second concussion….

what are the objective signs a day or more after the hit? I don't know how long or if they should have held him out. that was not my point at all. I simply said his very brief exam seemed unlikely---and that had the exact same hit and response had been on Tua and he was simply handed smelling salts and bolted the tent in 4 minutes or less, this place would be howling bout how bad the Phins were handling him. that's all

this is a good tip! center channel in Dolby 5:1, 7:1 etc are usually assigned dialogue.

I didn't say they "never had a black audience"--so you aren't disagreeing with me there, nor did I suggest that the HOF and the game itself didn't/doesn't have great black players. That strawman argument aside, black viewership has always been a small fraction of viewers---and it is even smaller now as the rosters and therefore viewers have seen great strides in Hispanic participation. This is undeniable. Also, as I said above, it has been far longer than 20 years since that kids could watch their local team the whole season on network TV. As for your Mexicans vs other Latinos, it's not a point worth making. Many MLB fans decades ago considered some of the best players of color as "black", when they were from Cuba and the DR--this is still true today. But the facts remain that Hispanic viewers are the growing demographic for watchers of MLB games, regardless of where the players come from. If you are now making the argument that most kids (or other potential viewers) only tune into the MLB for the playoffs, I'm with you there--and it it makes my point about MLB's irrelevance compared to the NFL. MLB shoots itself in the foot by putting these playoff games on weekday afternoons, when most people can't watch TV at work. That might help their anemic numbers.

Steratore, ironically enough, blew the infamous Megatron TD call, overruling the call of TD on the field. He was later backed up on that beauty by......Mike Pereira. Pereira spent a total of 2 years as a line judge in the NFL before taking a supervisory role. He hasn't been on the field since 1997.... I would take a review reversal over a mistaken call all day. they should limit it to 1 minute though. if these guys back in the studio in the city need more than that, then let the call stand.

MLB went allowed regional cable broadcasts as a routine since the 80's. It's not a new development that is sapping ratings. If you didn't miss a single Yankees game, then you were watching YES network (a cable network). Also, MLB never had a large black audience (or black players: 18% max in 1991 --and the game now consists of 30% Latino players, in a country where Latino Americans significantly outnumber black Americans. Hispanic MLB viewers are among the most avid watches of that league right now. As for "most have cut the cord" in this country, I can't find source that puts it at much more than 1/3 of households. Similarly, watching YES or FS1 via FUBO, etc, is not cutting the cord. It's just watching cable TV without a cable box.

he's not nearly old enough for a Bills 1 year special.