Mr. WEO

The QB % was a means to compare Cooper's QBs, as NewEra was. They all have about the same %. Obviously Watson isn't Josh Allen, but he completes 63% of his passes this year and he has no real problem finding his TEs, for example. Plus it is still true that Cooper dropped 10 passes in only 6 games. That's not on Watson.

The question was why would 4 teams trade him? Players don't trade themselves. The Bills traded Diggs--is it because they are "trash" or because they were dying of cap restriction (despite paying him 31 million not to play for them). The answer, as you know, is neither. They could stand him any more. All I have said is he is a legit #1 for the Bills and he has bad hands. Neither you nor the other guy above can dispute this. Your comparison of QBs completion % clearly didn't have the effect you were hoping for. Sure, for instance, Watson sucks (he's always been a flash in the pan)....but his completion % isn't much different from anyone else you listed.

It was not nefarious. It was a simple question. Each team chose not to keep him because he wasn't worth keeping compared to what they could get for him. Remember when everyone said Diggs wasn't a problem in Minny and claimed he would not be a problem here in Buffalo? Well, clearly all of that was wrong---pointing this out early on in his Bills career isn't "nefarious". Good players get traded for various reasons. Sometimes it's just because a team doesn't want the guy anymore. If you can't answer the simple question, that's ok too.

"ran out of town" is a joke here lol--fans can't run players out of town, despite what many here think (see the guy below, for instance). but they were down on him for drops and low catch %--same as Cooper. Drops are drops--balls that should have been caught. His 1st target as a Bill was dropped. He has 11 drops the past 7 games. Derek Carr is a career 65% passer, Josh Allen is 63%. This season, Watson completed 63.4% of his passes first 6 games (that includes Cooper's 10 drops, of course). I said Cooper is a legit #1WR for the Bills. Where in that did you read "he's no good"?

he's been a Bill for a week. I was a vocal Gabe Davis defender here (you know, when he was on the Bills roster), so I asked the question based on @generic_bills_fan post above. Pretty simple. if you want to join this discussion, you are welcome to. Maybe you can answer my question, since you are eager to contribute.

I heard it was 500 cities. This is pretty bad pandering by the Gov--"I saved the Bills from moving to 5 other places that I cannot name! Oh, by the way, the stadium will cost over 2 billion, so $650 million is nothing!" lol--politicians at their craven worst.

What's Cooper's excuse, this being his 4th team?

He is specifically restricted from this. Why would any team give up valuable info to his "minions"? That makes no sense. These color guys never get any meaningful info at these weekday visits. It's as much of a joke as "sideline reporting" or those coach interviews as they head off the field for halftime.

He's a legit #1, for the Bills purpose. But he has bad hands. He's dropped 30 passes in under 3 seasons---10 already this year! His catch percent is in the Gabe Davis range---and Buffalo fans "ran him out of town" for that performance.

OK, how does one cheat as a color commentator/owner? Flesh that comment out for me...

Do QBs lose consideration for having the most passing attempts? Of course not. So why should we even mention 191 (not 200) targets for a WR as exclusionary criteria for MVP? That number of targets is close to what the top receivers get every season. And he caught an incredible 76% of them them year. A "product of the QB"? Well every WR is a product of their QB---why bring it up? Stafford had Megatron for years in Detroit--one of the greatest ever. No triple crown. You could say Brady had his best year in 2021....if you didn't know 2007 existed: 50 TDs (a record at the time) vs only 8 ints, 69% completion, 4800 yards on only 578 attempts, undefeated. The only reason Kupp didn't win is because these chumps who vote have never voted a WR as MVP. It's a QB award. But yeah, Brady should have gotten it over Rodgers in 2021, by these criteria.

cowboys coming off 3 12 win seasons in a row. not his forte, to put it mildly...

MVP doesn't consider playoff performance---votes are counted before the playoffs start.. So, he should have gotten MVP based on his regular season Triple Crown. It's incredibly unique. Rodgers didn't even have his best season, nor did Brady. Kupp should have been a no brainer. They are 7-10 in the games he has missed since then. Now the Rams are calling it quits and looking (laughably) to unload a totally washed Stafford.

how do you cheat at color commentary?

Kupp had the receiver triple crown that year. Only 4 players have done this in 60 years. This was in the regular season....

bold opening

it's probably because, as opposed to the Bills, despite the misses, the Chiefs can't stop winning Lombardys.....

Rodgers over Kupp 2021 was the worst.

he's done. who cares?

I think what we are disagreeing on is Dan Jones, at any time in his career, being a "win now" proposition. He just isn't and never was. Daboll and Schoen believing he was is their problem. No one else in the NFL thought this was the case. Everyone saw this guy play--and how the Giants played after the bye in 2022. Cheers!

Proving your point?? Tyrod (who had a similarly "decent" year in 2017), led the Bills to their first playoff game in almost 2 decades. He didn't get 40 million because the Bills FO understood that those numbers are backup QB numbers (drafting the next franchise QB would be the following spring) and only 3 people on earth are dumb enough to pay that much for that mediocre play from a QB who had been bad the 3 years previously. So, to recap, The Bills didn't pay their Daniel Jones level QB (even though they broke the drought with him) because they knew they could do better with a rookie in the upcoming draft. The Giants brain trust, in contrast, decided to wildly overpay/re-sign their barely mediocre QB because he won a playoff game, instead of drafting his sorely needed replacement. They have been 3-10 with him starting since they resigned him--2 years ago.. He's as terrible as ever, which makes this a completely avoidable error.

he can't even run any more--averaging an anemic 3.7 per.

They are backup level QBs, which is the point. So is Jones. Tua, Murray, Herbert, Lawrence all got huge contracts...zero playoff wins. But at least you can point to some points in their careers where they were putting up numbers. Danny Dimes never has. He's been putting up Tyrod Taylor on the Bills numbers. Who offered Tyrod 40 million for that? You can't with a straight face say "wow, Daniel Jones has really fallen off from his 2022 season. His performance now is shocking". Nor could you claim that the Giants are better off this year with Jones and Nabers than, say, Penix and a FA WR---especially after the Giants brain trust got rid of the offense when the let Barkley go.

He's one Josh Allen short of being a potentially decent NFL HC.

They aren't. They are Mac Jones numbers. Mariota numbers. Andy Dalton numbers. Brock Purdy had nearly as many passing TDs in only 5 games. These are/were all backup quality guys at the time. It wasn't even Jones's best season! He's had one season with over 15 TD passes. How many starting NFL QBs keep getting handed the ball year after year with those numbers? He's awful.