Mr. WEO

perhaps as a placebo.

Kidneys don't need to be "cleansed" and "clean kidneys" have nothing to do with BP control. Renal renin-angiotensin hormonal regulation of BP is one way the body regulates systemic BP. No cleaning necessary.

Eli Manning's scenario was different as he was a draftee and there were excellent options for SD (nfl.com at the time before the draft reported Chargers were high on RIvers, but settled for the "safe pick" in Manning--not wanting another Leaf fiasco). Also, Big Ben was available--he, not Rivers, was the Giants #2 choice after Manning). It was "no Lose" scenario for SD and NYG. Plus SD got K Kaeding and, a year later, Merriman. Anyway--that scenario wasn't repeated.

He needs to grow up some, no doubt. But everything about that Browns org--from it's criminal moron of an owner to the goofy MLB analytics guy team to the worst coaching hires in NFL history certainly didn't help him with that. He would be a better QB if he landed with Andy Reid or Shanahan or McDaniels bringing him along.

he only comes out to comment on all things patriots. very weird. he does the "pats fan" thing to set the table...then right back in the hole. You are correct . PervKraft paid for an service that was illegal in the state in which it was offered. It was a transaction. He "got off" on a technicality produced by bungling cops and DA. Watson wasn't offered that service by those 24+ women...

55% is bad. so is 57%. But because Josh Allen was 24th in completion %, RJ was not an awful QB. I see that direct line you are now drawing between the 2 QBs makes so much sense now. It's beautiful.... It's a positive integer.

55% is bad.. Kelly was 24th that year. Only 3100 yards. Favre was orders of magnitude better than Kelly that year—not even close. Jim Harbaugh was 1995 UPI AFC Offensive Player of the Year. Bu by all means keep comparing RJ to “cherry picked stats” of HOF Jim Kelly and superstar Josh Allen to explain your weird pump up of this really bad WB, while simultaneously telling me that I am cherry picking stats

57% is abysmal in any era. You can’t convincingly argue otherwise. He was 10 full % points behind the leader. I’ve offered several stats that show RJ was awful. The more he passed the worse he got. He got sacked with abandon. He struggled to throw for over 100 yards a game. Those are bad stats in the 1990s. Good defense for sure. Awful QB.

RJs fantasy numbers?! Lol—That’s a joke right? He had none—unless “sack%” is worth fantasy points. Good one! The more he passed the worse he got. He was to slow to get away from pressure. He was never a legitimate passer. He was terrible nor in the first half of that game. One of the worst halfs of ball in Bills history until NP caught McDs eye.

lol RJ's 23rd passing % was an abysmal 57% in 2000. 1998 he barely got 100 attempts--he averaged a measly 114 ypg---and yet he still took 29 sacks for an insane 21% sack rate! 1999? LOL---"limited work"???. he started 1 game--you're going to prop him up with that "73.5%" and "8.5 YPA"?? why not throw in that record breaking "season" he had in 1997?? The bolded parts you say without any sense of irony--so that's why it's funny. Also ironic is that you have made an excellent argument that RJ was a much better QB when he hardly attempted to throw the ball at all! I'm in agreement with you there... he was awful. Manning at his worst didn't have a half equal to RJ at his best. Look back on that sequence of possessions--RJ in a nutshell.

This is the only way to safely enjoy RJ

correct. but no individual sued or brought charges against Kraft, so why bring him up as an analogy to the Watson issue?

it would have made the Bills the NFLs only 5 time SB losers. Anyway he was terrible. His career stats tell you this. In his 2 seasons where he was sort of the starter, he had under 7 YPA. Completed barely 60% of his passes for only 30 career TDS.He appeared in only 48 games and 29 starts, yet he was sacked 140 times. Despite being described as a “WR-type athlete”, he couldn’t pass and could not fit the life of him, avoid a sack.

no one pressed charges or sued Kraft. He was arrested in a sting.

This has been repeated by many and it is a very weak argument. RJ was awful that day (so was McNair--the worst 2 QB performances in a playoff game I have ever seen). He completed 10 passes (of 22) for 130 and took 6 sacks and fumbled 3 times! First half: punt, sack/fumble (missed Del Greco FG), punt, sack/fumble/safety, punt, punt, punt. He completed 5 passes---only 1 in the entire 2nd Q. His incredibly bad play in that half is why the Bills were stuck playing catchup in the 4th. McNair was so bad that any decent QB could have put the Bills comfortably ahead in the 1st half.

they can decide what their own “punishment” will be so it’s not really a problem for them

Maybe you are thinking of a different Rob Johnson? The one who played for the Bills had 4 in his career—same number as Trent Edwards and half as many as…Doug Flutie

Owners don’t want anyone checking out their dirty laundry. The money they are making with zero effort is just too insanely large that they don’t really care. They have all known about Snyder running a gross organization for decades. They did nothing. Maybe now that he skimmed a few bucks off their take they might suddenly pretend to be indignant. Who knows.

he list his staring job after he was injured falling on a football. there were no Rob Johnson “buttons” except “OFF”

Do you think that might result from the fact that "The NFL" is the owners? Just kind of spitballing here...

Mayfield threw for 3725 yards (#8 all time) and 27 TDs (#2 all time) in 13 starts his rookie season. Was PFWA Rookie of the Year. 2 years later, he brought the Browns to their 1st playoff game in 18 years. 11-5 with 26 TD on only 8 ints. Was injured last year. Voted by his peers as NFL top 100 players in 2019 (50) and 2020 (71). Took Josh 3 seasons t get over 3100 yards per. Both with 59/60 starts, 14k yards, JA with 10 more TD. Josh is obviously the better player, but Mayfield came off the bus ready to play. He is part of an organization run by idiots. Not sure Carolina will do much for him (Cleveland may have permanently damaged him)--just a different group of idiots down there.

I fully expected to read that the bump of this thread was that the Bills signed him to a one year contract.

If he gets into the HOF based on his one on one with that bus, I bet we'll be hearing from a certain former Bills DE about it......

lots of guesses in this other thread.....

yeah but that's his whole career--a snapshot for the other guys...