Mr. WEO

What if the Vikings have injuries? He played that game with Adams, who caught 9 passes on 11 targets.

It seems like only yesterday that we heard that, since Vince McMahon put up 250 million of his own money, the XFL was going to be around for a while. Instead, he chose the pandemic stoppage after a handful of weeks to cut his losses and bail out on an impending fiancial disaster---and his game had ratings at least as good as USFLs, which reached rock bottom before the "playoffs". With so few viewers, it's hard to imagine how little they are commanding per ad spot. Combine that with essentially zero gate money and merchandise sale cash and Fox will hang in there until their cut and run loss amount is reached. At least costs are low: they pay these players nothing and that Div 1A college stadium is probably fairly cheap to rent. If Fox has to send production crews and pay the costs to rent/staff 4 nearly empty stadiums every week, they will hemorrhage cash on this. wut....

Yes because of Rodgers. And who voted for Chicago?? Confess!!

Can we wait until Bates gets his 5th NFL start before he goes up on the wall?

I had a melanoma on my nose required 3 surgeries including a rotation flap to cover the 1cm defect. im not mocking the disease, but the fact that this same story comes out every training camp about McD and his brush with death. it’s old news

So that would make it 3 Ryan Bateses in a row? His legend is ever growing....

Who was the last Ryan Bates?

He got skin cancer again? He should stay away from "skin cancer training camp"..

BB was credited much for the Giants success in SB 25. Before Minny, Frazier had a fairly undistinguished career as an assistant on a few teams. He was fired from each of his 2 Coordinator jobs in Cincy and Tampa after 2 seasons.

Actually I haven't. I was responding to specific posts. Adios! Who was Vick's private QB tutor from the draft to his 4th year in ATL? Reid made his career with 2 top 10 1st round picks at QB. These weren't projects, so there wasn't a lot of heavy lifting to get these 2 ready to play. He was a QB for 2 seasons in GB --well after Favre was already a star (4 time PB, All Pro by then) having two of his career best seasons before Reid got that job. He must have fixed Favre's game too? lol

He is a QB coach. Are you saying he did not?

Allen's main knock coming into the league and after his rookie season was his accuracy. You know this. He had better coaching and it improved. Vick didn't have that kind of instruction--not sure too many guys had that 20 years ago after they already were in the league. Maybe you didn't read the article. It clearly says Josh broke Vicks record for rushing "in the first 8 starts of his career". Josh had 490 yards rushing over those 8 games. 335 of those yards came in 3 games (in the other 5 he had 36, 39, 19, 19, 20). After those first 8 starts, he would run for a total of 141 over the rest of the season. In Atlanta Vick had seasons with 6.9, 6.4, 7.5 8.4 YPC. 3 seasons over 750 yards rushing. On the Jets, his carries declined but he still had seasons of 6.8, 7.8, 8.5 YPC. A career 7 YPC. Josh has had a season of 7.1 and 6.3 and a single season over 750 yards. We can assume that Josh's 100+ carry seasons won't continue by design. Reid never improved anyone's accuracy. How could he? Josh's major knock before the draft was his accuracy. You have forgotten this maybe? It was in all the papers. The topic of this thread is, essentially, that Josh's QB product significantly improved with a lot of coaching--Palmer being widely credited here for this. Is your argument that none of this is true? That Josh was fully formed upon entering the NFL? That coaching cannot (and didn't) affect his (or anyone's) performance.

Again, arm strength, not accuracy, was the topic I was first responding to. Are you saying Josh was a very accurate passer coming out college (before Palmer)?

so what? What did Reid do to improve Vick's accuracy? Who did he have him work with, after, you know, Vick got out of prison? As for who is the better runner, Vick had insane numbers running the ball--like no one else.

He never had a Jordan Palmer. Arm strength was the topic. Easily Vick had that same arm strength--with no coached throwing motion.

Exactly listened to both. I don';t doubt Palmer believes he's the best ever. It certainly doesn't hurt business to say so.

His arm strength is on par with JA. Go back and watch Vick with the flick of his wrist throw 50 yards. None of the rigorously practiced and Jordan Palmer-crafted windup----just a tiny movement of his hand. recency bias...

JA isn't an order of magnitude bigger than either Mahomes or Rodgers. He's actually leaner (lower BMI) than Mahomes. And Palmer didn't say exclusively physically talented. Rodgers's game doesn't lack anything that 2-3 more inches of height would bring. Height isn't a talent anyway. I don't see a huge gap between Josh and Mahomes at the position so far. JA has carried the ball over 200 more times than Mahomes. If Reid ran Mahomes like that they would have similar rushing numbers at 5.0 vs 5.5 per carry.

He's riding the bigger hype wave with Josh right now. It was just over a year ago he was saying Darnold "is going to be so good in this league".. Because he's the QB...

lol--if Burrow goes to the SB again and the Bills don't, look for Palmer to be shooting youtubes declaring Burrow as "the best I've ever seen!!!" he is extremely elusive. i've not seen anyone claim otherwise--until you did. But no, The Chiefs had RBs on their roster, so he wasn't asked to run the ball like JA had to. Doesn't mean he would not have been as successful.

are you serious?

Vick didn't have that arm strength?? lol stop.

This gets rehashed a lot. BB took a 3 win team to 6, 7, and 11 wins and a playoff appearance. At some point, Vinny Testaverde as your top QB runs out of steam... In 2 of Frazier's 3 full seasons in Minny, his teams had the worst D in the league re; giving up points.

Vick was a supreme athlete. His speed was uncommon and he had maybe the biggest arm I have ever seen. Rodgers has a big arm, very quick on his feet. Very smart. Makes any throw. 6'2" 225. That's big enough. Not every OC feels his QB should be the #2 rusher on the team you know (RIP Daboll). Also, as other have pointed out, Mahomes has the big arm, makes all the throws and has serious speed. 6'3" 227 (10 lb lighter than JA). In 4 years as a starter, he has a lot more passing yards, 50% more TDs and fewer INTs. It has taken a trainer touting (yet again) his most (only?) successful client as "the most talented ever" for many here to suddenly agree with this idea.

Vick for 1. Elway