Mr. WEO

i'll let you know..

Ive applied those paddles…. he didn’t die and was never dead.

The NFL has never been concerned much with "bad press". As most have said, the game goes on. As I said upstream, I bet these guys want to get back to the game.

yellow flags have never stopped big hits. never will.

no one's giving up a game check. It would make no sense. They are all hurting, but I bet they want to get back to normalcy (such as their job provides) right now. Not sure sitting around waiting for vague updates is better for them.

I wish posters would stop saying this. He obviously didn't.

The study included nontrauma patients. The authors say "OHCA should be considered among the traditional ARDS risk factors"...... because most clinicians still do not consider it among the traditional risk factors. Berlin Definition (last updated international definition) requires "exposure to a known risk factor". OHCA isn't currently one of them. The hit he took was enough to initiate commotio cordis. It's unlikely to have been massive enough to cause immediate bilateral pulmonary contusions as seen, for example, in a high fall or high speed deceleration into a steering wheel. The prone report is still not confirmed. It was by his uncle who had to retract the rest of that "report".

ARDS happens in a clinical setting (trauma, sepsis, near drowning, massive transfusions, etc). The criteria cited for "ARDS" in the pubmed study are simply for pulmonary edema and they were in non-trauma patients. Cardiogenic pulmonary edema is going to have the same blood gasses and xray findings they used for their ARDS criteria.

come on...

Yes, noncardiogenic pulmonary edema can worsen existing cardiogenic pulmonary edema... Also, proning a patient with cardiac dysfunction for the reasons that you listed have nothing to do with ARDS. They would (rarely) be proned to improve cardiac function, as you quote points out..not pulmonary (as would be done with severe ARDS). There's no reason to believe severe, ARDS inducing chest trauma from CPR happened in this case. The report of "damaged lungs" came from the same uncle that said he had CPR twice.

Unfortunately oxygenation isn't an indicator of much. Assuming normal lung function and adequate cardiac output, he should have little difficulty oxygenating on the vent. The key moment isn't taking him off the vent. There aren't necessarily going to be "good/improving numbers" in this scenario, unfortunately. All that matters is what will be his mental status as the hypothermic therapy and sedation are stopped. His heart can, right now, be fully back to baseline (no doubt he's had at least one echocardiogram since he went down)--the issue is did he suffer an anoxic brain injury before spontaneous circulation was restored in the filed.

Far more people in this country have far more physically demanding jobs that are more dangerous and detrimental to their long and short term health than pro athletes. Most take these jobs because they don't have the opportunities/choices afforded elite athletes. For their efforts, these people get a modest paycheck and no post retirement healthcare. They do---for 5 years after retirement. The "average NFL career" is frequently cited as 3 years---but that includes anyone who got a single check from an NFL team at any time....so that includes a lot of "camp fodder"--guys who never make a roster (and rarely take a big hit in a game). But we are talking about guys who at least are on an active roster for several years--these are the guys who are being exposed to the big hits--not the PS guys. Talley made at least 5 million from the Bills/Falcons/Vikings (plus the Bills payed him in the range of 50-100K for years to be one of their "legends"). That was pretty good money in the 80's-90's. Easily could have stashed away a chunk for his later years. Now apparently the money is gone. Some years ago, there was a online fund drive (disclaimer: I donated) when the story of his recent health struggles was published. The point is that every players knows exactly what they are getting into from college ball to the NFL, as far as risks to their health. They negotiate how much they are going to be payed to subject themselves to this risk. They also know that, like nearly all nonmunicipal unemployed/retired adults under 65, that at some point their employer will no longer be paying for their healthcare. They can't then, after leaving the game, complain that years later the NFL isn't paying for their health care needs, or that they "earned" something they were never due. That's not how it works.

Very few jobs have the majority of full time employees retire as millionaires and still provide them with long term free healthcare/insurance.

he knew he had just leveled the guy and put him on the ground ........and then laid down next to him to perform that extended a-hole celebration.

unlikely the owner would allow him to make that decision anyway

this same thing/thread appeared more than once after the "CTE scandal" a few years ago. What happened to Hamlin is so unusual and rare that I'm not sure it, in and of itself, will sway many parents.

He didn't retire after his first contract. He got a new contract in his fifth year and played 4 years under that contract for a total of 8 seasons.

anyone know how he revealed this or how it came up? there's been know evidence he was hurt like this all season was there? He had a Pro Bowl year.

no chance

Saturday's right. This clown was dancing on Foles's grave--literally side by side as he's writhing in agony. Teammates strolled away. It's a business, they say...

Aren't many guys the size of lineman and most LBs playing MLB. It's not an option for the vast majority of football players. Players have already considered the long term affect the game has on their health. Very few walk away early.

no. they all understand that they have a much higher risk of something like CTE related chronic disease than having a life threatening cardiac event on the field. Why would this make them wish to retire?

NFL would wipe out there week 18 if he's still in a coma? that's not going to happen.

I don't see anything on ESPN site saying this. We heard Buck say something like this very early in the incident. I'm sure there's more to this unprecedented sequence of events than your post has grasped....

probably, depending on his neurological exam. he's definitely receiving therapeutic hypothermic treatment