Mr. WEO

so many things to be thankful for, despite the anxiety of the week. not least among them the temporary cessation of the awful Gabe Davis takes!

there's been a clowney situation in Cleveland for decades

who would be asking Channing Crowder for quotes?

Saleh still collecting receipts?

"When your heart stops beating, you die." This is patently wrong. A brief/reversible stopping of the heart obviously isn't "death", which is irreversible. Every patient who has open heart surgery and is on cardiopulmonary bypass has a non beating heart for a portion of the surgery. None of them are dead during that time. Legally, and simply, death has occurred when either or both have occurred: “irreversible cessation of circulatory and respiratory functions” or “irreversible cessation of all functions of the entire brain, including the brain stem.” That latter is commonly referred to as brain death, which can exist in the setting of a beating heart. So, despite what may an amazing recovery, Hamlin was never "dead". In the hospital, after cardiac arrest, survivors (those who have been successfully resuscitated) go to the ICU. Those who do not survive ("the dead") get put in a shroud and are sent to K-1.

he can radio Spiller for vectoring...

make it stop

Araiza being released was a blessing. take it off your list of tragedies...

Willis wasn't aropund long--played only 71/2 seasons. Joe Thomas will get in because everyone syas he's the greatest although he neve made an impact in Cleveland's Offensive success. Zero impact. Revis should walk in right now. One of the Rams WRs should get in. Both won't. Jared Allen should get in. Coryell should have gotten in a million years ago, but the football writers and media representatives are a pretty dumb lot

absolutely

wow. one season? crazy FO over there

amazing news

i'll let you know..

Ive applied those paddles…. he didn’t die and was never dead.

The NFL has never been concerned much with "bad press". As most have said, the game goes on. As I said upstream, I bet these guys want to get back to the game.

yellow flags have never stopped big hits. never will.

no one's giving up a game check. It would make no sense. They are all hurting, but I bet they want to get back to normalcy (such as their job provides) right now. Not sure sitting around waiting for vague updates is better for them.

I wish posters would stop saying this. He obviously didn't.

The study included nontrauma patients. The authors say "OHCA should be considered among the traditional ARDS risk factors"...... because most clinicians still do not consider it among the traditional risk factors. Berlin Definition (last updated international definition) requires "exposure to a known risk factor". OHCA isn't currently one of them. The hit he took was enough to initiate commotio cordis. It's unlikely to have been massive enough to cause immediate bilateral pulmonary contusions as seen, for example, in a high fall or high speed deceleration into a steering wheel. The prone report is still not confirmed. It was by his uncle who had to retract the rest of that "report".

ARDS happens in a clinical setting (trauma, sepsis, near drowning, massive transfusions, etc). The criteria cited for "ARDS" in the pubmed study are simply for pulmonary edema and they were in non-trauma patients. Cardiogenic pulmonary edema is going to have the same blood gasses and xray findings they used for their ARDS criteria.

come on...

Yes, noncardiogenic pulmonary edema can worsen existing cardiogenic pulmonary edema... Also, proning a patient with cardiac dysfunction for the reasons that you listed have nothing to do with ARDS. They would (rarely) be proned to improve cardiac function, as you quote points out..not pulmonary (as would be done with severe ARDS). There's no reason to believe severe, ARDS inducing chest trauma from CPR happened in this case. The report of "damaged lungs" came from the same uncle that said he had CPR twice.

Unfortunately oxygenation isn't an indicator of much. Assuming normal lung function and adequate cardiac output, he should have little difficulty oxygenating on the vent. The key moment isn't taking him off the vent. There aren't necessarily going to be "good/improving numbers" in this scenario, unfortunately. All that matters is what will be his mental status as the hypothermic therapy and sedation are stopped. His heart can, right now, be fully back to baseline (no doubt he's had at least one echocardiogram since he went down)--the issue is did he suffer an anoxic brain injury before spontaneous circulation was restored in the filed.

Far more people in this country have far more physically demanding jobs that are more dangerous and detrimental to their long and short term health than pro athletes. Most take these jobs because they don't have the opportunities/choices afforded elite athletes. For their efforts, these people get a modest paycheck and no post retirement healthcare. They do---for 5 years after retirement. The "average NFL career" is frequently cited as 3 years---but that includes anyone who got a single check from an NFL team at any time....so that includes a lot of "camp fodder"--guys who never make a roster (and rarely take a big hit in a game). But we are talking about guys who at least are on an active roster for several years--these are the guys who are being exposed to the big hits--not the PS guys. Talley made at least 5 million from the Bills/Falcons/Vikings (plus the Bills payed him in the range of 50-100K for years to be one of their "legends"). That was pretty good money in the 80's-90's. Easily could have stashed away a chunk for his later years. Now apparently the money is gone. Some years ago, there was a online fund drive (disclaimer: I donated) when the story of his recent health struggles was published. The point is that every players knows exactly what they are getting into from college ball to the NFL, as far as risks to their health. They negotiate how much they are going to be payed to subject themselves to this risk. They also know that, like nearly all nonmunicipal unemployed/retired adults under 65, that at some point their employer will no longer be paying for their healthcare. They can't then, after leaving the game, complain that years later the NFL isn't paying for their health care needs, or that they "earned" something they were never due. That's not how it works.

Very few jobs have the majority of full time employees retire as millionaires and still provide them with long term free healthcare/insurance.