Mr. WEO

Asked and answered...your words---talking your own point to its death. No need to remind me--I'm agreeing with you!--the hit IS not illegal, as you said. Stick with your convictions!!!! If that hit is put on Mahomes or Burrow (or Brady) "in 2022" (the topic of this discussion), the overwhelming majority of posters here say it's not a penalty. They would be correct--this is in contradiction to your first proposition, why change your bet?----stick with your convictions!!!

It doesn’t what posters think is a penalty. Half of them think all refs fish’s against the Bills are bogus and nearly all the real penalties against the Bills are not called. So that’s a suckers bet. Most of them would say it’s a clean hit if it’s applied on, say, Mahomes or Burrow…but a dirty hit/penalty if it’s Allen on the receiving end. So, obviously your bet is silly. My “conviction” is that There is no focus on fines ( the only conviction you’re sticking to from your original post) for the 15 yard penalties, as I have shown you 3 times and therefore, you simply made that up. You could have saved yourself some face if you had “dug into” any facts regarding any of this at all, before stumbling into your first, ill fated post.

lol--"reading comprehension"...the ultimate white flag. Anyway: "The league is looking to hand down fines for 15 yards penalties? they penalized 10/93 roughing the passer (10.7%) and 53/162 unsportsmanlike conduct (any reason)/helmet to helmet/defenseless player (32.7%). Total fines were $181K for roughing the passer. Defenseless player only $174K. Compare that to a whopping $166K for taunting, $167K for fighting, $133K for obscene gestures and $135k for celebration." As I made clear, my stats included not only "roughing the passer" (settle down, son), but all 15 yards penalties--which fell into the second group (helmet to helmet/defenseless/unsportsmanlike). Given your legendary powers of reading comprehension, I know you understood that. I'm pretty sure, with your superior, nay, unmatched, reading skills, you could see I was comparing (when I said "compare that to") the 15 yard penalty money ($893K) to nonsense penalties such as gestures, celebration, taunting and fighting, which combined totaled a whopping $601K. (in 2021, the roughing/helmet/unsportsmanlike totaled only $587K). That's hardly a focus on "handing down fines" for those 15 yard penalties (under 25% are fined). It's the pretty rare occurrence, in fact. That would make it the opposite of "looking to" by the NFL. Pretty simple. To close the circle on your initial unfortunate post: how many players were suspended for 15 yard penalties in 2022? 1 (Evans for fighting). 2021? 1. "Goodell's NFL" isn't doing a very good job of handing down financial penalties (via fines or suspensions) for 15 yard penalties after all. And, 1 more time, hit on Brady wasn't a penalty in 2001 or 2022. Clean hit.

Me too. But there can be more than one. Diggs isn't gonna be one of them--which is OK. But they need a few.

do we really want to hear a seasoned vet telling the public "what am i looking at? what's going on out there?" , after being treated to his yelling-at-the-QB for targets shtick? A leader doesn't say those things out loud. Remember when we were all treated with image of Diggs looking forlornly at the Chiefs trophy celebration after the Bills lost to KC the first time? He said it was "something I will never forget". Notably, McClappy added his personal, trucker-cap ready catchphrase/logo: “We obviously didn’t play our best game, but we’re going to learn from this experience.” He's gonna need a bigger hat.... That was 2 years ago. Who wants to hear all this again?

All NFL stats have minimums to be included. Otherwise, as I pointed out, you end up with Mike Vrabel in your cohort. I think you know this, but you painted yourself into a corner--an unforced error. Weird hill to die on...

Yes, Brady took a legal hit as a runner... ........So now you're saying he wouldn't be flagged, ejected or arrested....but just might be fined in "Goodell's" NFL, even though "the hit wasn't illegal"? You're making less sense each post. In the same week Ford got fined--after flagged (later reduced, not "double downed" or "upheld")--Clowney gave Wentz a clear helmet shot that sent him to the locker room. Zero fine. The league is looking to hand down fines for 15 yards penalties? they penalized 10/93 roughing the passer (10.7%) and 53/162 unsportsmanlike conduct (any reason)/helmet to helmet/defenseless player (32.7%). Total fines were $181K for roughing the passer. Defenseless player only $174K. Compare that to a whopping $166K for taunting, $167K for fighting, $133K for obscene gestures and $135k for celebration. There were more fines laid out for taunting and obscene gestures--EACH--than roughing the passer. If "the league is looking to hand down financial penalties" for 15 yard penalties, they aren't really looking too hard, are they?

Then why post a fake stat?: "Per snap in Buffalo (opportunity), Hodgins outperformed EVERY RECEIVER (at the least the top 4) on the team!" .....in order to pretend he had ANY sort of production, let alone be compared to the actual receiving corps. By your logic, Mike Vrabel: 16 snaps, 12 catches (.75 per), 12 TDs (.75 per)...was the greatest receiver to ever play the game. leave it at " he never got a chance here". the rest of your posts on this are absurd.

there were 10 (ten) roughing the passer fines in 2022, including the playoffs. if that hit on Brady isn’t illegal, why would there be a fine? You haven’t explained that yet.

well I didn’t even hint at anything like that. You are the one stretching a 4 catch career into “the most productive on the Bills” or whatever your point was. That’s a joke. maybe he should have gotten a better shot here but he didn’t. He didn’t exist, contributed nothing.

come on--"production per snap" is meaningless when you play 16 snaps for your whole time with a team. The guy caught 4 passes for a measly 10 yards per... he has built a career on the Giants. He was an absolute zero on the Bills. Comparing to Diggs or Davis while he was on the Bills is complete nonsense.

name all the fanbases that deal with another year of legit SB hopes ending in painful playoff exit with "chill pills" and "happy" fans. Disappointment is the more natural response in this scenario---and it may manifest in many forms, from thoughtful to overwrought--far more natural than the "just be happy we have a team in Buffalo that is competitive". That's actually a pretty abnormal (as these things go) reaction to a season such as the Bills just ended..

Fined for what? Wasn't head to head.

i guess. not fined, ejected nor arrested.

Did you post this last year? 2020? 2019?

2 great QBs who rode the "chip on my shoulder, everyone doubted me" shtick to the HOF. The article doesn't really describe a dislike for Brady, just an annoyance that there is a comparison because Joe doesn't think Brady (or other QBs after him I guess) doesn't have to be as tough any more to achieve the highest level of success. The fact that only 1 guy since him has done so dents his argument a bit. Plus, no QB in history has taken more hits than Brady. Increased penalties have not stopped brutal hits. Helmet to helmets happen every single game, for example, despite being "illegal". Guys in Joe's era didn't take care of themselves like today's players do as a routine. solid shoulder-shoulder hit. Brady got right up. that wouldn't be an ejection today.

hear me out...

Luckily for Trubisky, the Bills never gave him a chance to throw to his WRs at all... Is frowning on WRs punching your QB really considered micromanaging these days?

he must be wearing it ironically. I mean, look at the guy.

Worked out extremely well for the Vikings...

Bills need a mature leader. Josh is still young. Guys like Diggs aren't going to rally or calm or focus the team. Hopefully Von Miller can be that guy again next season.

Giants finished 3rd in their division, with only a single win in it. Despite this, they made the playoffs because they NFC stinks. They were promptly pantsed and thus exposed as frauds by the Eagles. Now they have to back up the Brinks truck to pay their own Dak Prescott (who's far worse at QB)--or their RB, thus locking them into years of mediocrity either way. Why should anyone here be bothered by this?

zero chance they would.

"the Bills are done"? what is OP responding specifically to? Is there a groundswell of support for the notion they are "done"?