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Bingo! Flutie may have become one of the great backup QBs to play in the NFL, if he would have adjusted his ego/attitude. That experience may have even led to him being something more than a novelty starting QB, in the NFL.
By the end of his ride in Buffalo, he was a locker room dividing prick.
Maybe it's because he was relegated to the back of the bus his whole, intermittent NFL career. He gets his chance, does well as a starter and gets pulled for a bum like RJ. He was certain that he was a better QB than Slow Robbie, and couldn't hide that opinion (he was right, as we all were painfully made aware over the rest of RJs awful career). I think Flutie has forgotten more about playing the position, or football in genaral, than RJ ever knew.
"A locker room dividing prick"? If you can identify any of them, why don't you track down any of the guys who sided with RJ and aske them their opinion in retrospect.
He's the only winner at QQB we've had in 10 years and you guys trash him. Amazing.
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SF: He had been with the team for 8 years and realized they weren't going anywhere (they haven't made the playoffs since the year before he left them). He also hated Garcia, who is a dick and has an overly-inflated opinion of his own talent (their careers post-breakup tell the tale). Now he shouldn't have said what he did about Garcia's sexual orientation publicly, but everyone was thinking it.
Philly: No, the team not celebrating his 100th TD was not what "set him off." And actually, I retract what I said about the media feeding you because NO ONE would ever claim that this is what started his downfall with the Eagles. All you know is that TO criticized the Eagles for not doing it, and 2 days later they suspend him for the remainder of the season. No, it was doomed from the beginning because of his icy relationship with McNabb, and his contract.
You'll recall that McNabb never wanted TO in the first place. But they worked together and did well. Then McNabb claimed that the Eagles didn't need TO after he broke his leg late in the 2004 season, and things really got bad after TO revealed that McNabb got tired and puked on the final drive of the 2004 SB, and that he'd rather play with Brett Favre. They didn't talk during training camp before the 2005 season. But they put aside their differences and again worked together and TO was top-3 in receptions, yards, and TD's in the NFL when the Eagles suspended him.
But mostly this was about his contract. You'll also recall that his original agent forgot to file the paperwork to make him an UFA while with the 49'ers, who traded him to Baltimore. He ultimately got traded to the Eagles, and accepted a below-market contract that was severely backloaded to boot, just to get out of Baltimore. And he might have accepted it had the Eagles not started to talk about how they could cut him should he not return from his broken ankle, which he rushed himself back from early in order to play, and have a great game, in the SB. He fired his old agent and hired Drew Rosenhaus, who as we all know is a master at orchestrating getting his players more money and/or out of situations in which they don't want to be. And he found a team willing to pay him what he was worth in the Cowboys.
Dallas: If you read the article linked in this thread, I mean REALLY read it, you'd realize that Jerruh is disappointed in Romo. And remember that Jerruh gave Romo a 6-year $67.5M contract extension with $31M in guaranteed money at the beginning of the 2007 season. And since Romo is 28 and TO 35 and he had far less invested in TO, he made the decision to make TO the scapegoat for Romo's lack of leadership, poor decisions off-the-field, and clutch play. But Jerruh is already regretting the decision, mostly because of the financial hit he's taken, while the on-field hit is yet to be felt. If anyone truly thinks that the Cowboys will be better off without TO and with Romo continuing to target Witten even more (I'm guessing the "someone else" who will probably catch what would have otherwise gone to TO), or relying on Roy Williams, who has only surpassed TO's production last year (except for TD's, since Williams has never caught more than 8 TD's in a season) once in his 5 years in the league, they're fooling themselves. But hey, we'll see, just like we'll see when it is that TO "destroys" the Bills.
"Everybody was thinking" Garcia was gay? Really? Where did you "read" that? The "media"?
Because his agent never filed his papers in a timely fashion, TO assuemd he was a FA and he and his agent negotiated a deal with the Eagles. The 49ers claimed they still owned him and had traded him to Baltimore. SF, Balt and Philly reached a settlement and allowed TO to go to Philly for the the contract that he and his agent had negotiated. So if anyone is to blame for that contract, it's TO and his agent. So saying he signed it to avoid going to Balt is nonsense. He had always assumed he was going to Philly. If he later realized he made a poor decision in accepting this contract, whose fault is that?
The lack of acknowledgement of the 100th TD is what set off a chain of comments about his team that would lead to him being suspended. Although it may have begun earlier in the day when Hugh Douglas called him out in the locker room for being a douchebag.
Rosenhaus did a nice job orchestrating TO losing 4 paychecks that year.
I agree that Jones may be disappointed in Romo. But it is clear that they felt that TO would not support Romo in the locker room, so why keep him? Maybe they made the wrong decision, who knows?
And you can stop banging the drum about Romo and Whitten. Throwing a few (12) more short yardage passes to Whitten did not cause the Cowboys to fail last year, sport. Also, TO had more yards and more TDs than Whitten (more drops also). Williams will be the primary WR this season. With Whitten and To, there weren't many ball thrown Williams way when he arrived from Detroit. Guess we'll see.
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Great post.
Some people appreciate success and expect it. Other people are satisfied with mediocrity and stautus quo--to the point where they mock success.
Go figure.
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We all could have stopped reading after:
LaDainian Tomlinson, who gains 163 total yards and scores a touchdown, is the key to the Chargers' success.Or, if that wasn't enough:
The Vikings fail to avenge their biggest loss (and only game in which they are the underdogs)McNabb will never make it to the SB again.
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Ah yes, Romo's "reputation" as a bum is all because of TO. That's hilarious. I guess TO is the one who suggested to Romo that he, Jessie, and Jason have a 3-some in Cabo before a playoff game? Or that Jessie sit in the stands blowing kisses and distracting Romo? And hey, we've seen that Romo throwing more passes to Witten than TO has really worked well for the Cowboys the past 2 years. I'm sure the practice bubble collapse was because TO "destroyed" it.
It's obvious you know little about TO, beyond what the media (that is, outside of john wawrow) has fed you. Or what you choose to believe. His 100th career TD was in the 3rd game of the 2005 season (he joined the Eagles in 2004).
Yeah, and someone else will catch all those TD passes. Like Roy Williams, who's caught more passes once in his 5-year career, but hasn't had more than 8 TD's in a season. But hey, it's just that simple!
Yes. The 100th catch was in the 2005 season. Anyway................the failure of the Eagles to properly commemorate this is what set him off.
I know "little about TO"? How can you make that statement? I know of TO what TO has presented to the public and has been exhaustively reported in the press. There is no athlete in the past ten years who has so willingly and frequently jumped in front of a camera or microphone.
It is interesting you jump all over Romo for this silly Jessica simpson stuff and conclude he is a "bum", yet, despite reams of well documented poor "team" behavior by TO for years, you say I know "very little about TO". Has Romo been released by his last two teams or been suspended during a season for being dick? Has any other pro athlete that you know of?
But, for fun, why don't you tell me what I don't know about TO, since all that has been published is "obviously" very "little" of what TO really is like? And how did you come to learn all of this other stuff about TO? Don't be shy now. Do you also have some personal experience that helped you look past all that has been written and filmed about him?
And while you're at it, give me an honest description of your opinion regarding TOs antics PRIOR to his putting on a Bills hat.
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There is absolutely logic to it, which I've already pointed out. He loves the spotlight, but only when it's his decision to step onstage.
And consider this: I'm merely speculating here, but what if a tour of the new digs was supposed to be part of the VH1 show, and the Buffalo TV news footage blew that "exclusive" all to hell?
Your speculation is likely correct, Lori. Absolutely plausible. Which is consistent with my now often repeated suspicion that his protestations about this violation of his newly prized privacy are bogus.
And jw, spare me the sanctimony (this isn't about "perfection"--talk about a guy who deals in absolutes)--you are aware of the modern usage of the words "moron" and "pariah". You understand why I would use these terms to describe ML and TO, yet you dismiss it as "name calling". You are being disingenuous.
But, hey, maybe, through your personal interaction with him, you'll be the first journalist to find the "real" TO; to portray the true man when all of your colleagues around the country have failed.
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Being popular and being a leader are not the same. Clearly stated, the Jones boys felt that TO would continue to use his locker room popularity to further his agenda (all of the receiving glory) at the expense of the reputauion of the player who must lead the office.
The leader of the offense is the QB, yet TO does not appreciate this. His beef in Philly was due to what he perceived was an inadequate acknowledgement of his greatness--beginning with his 100th career TD and continuing to his rapid return after injury to play in the SB.
That and the guy is getting long in the tooth and someone else is going to catch all those passes that TO would have demanded.
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sorry, should've made myself more clear about the name-calling. i was referring to Lynch and Owens. there's no fun in responding to someone with their mind so made up who thinks it unfortunate that Owens is not a pariah and that Lynch is a complete moron, and then also questions my reputation as an objective journalist because i believe in providing someone the benefit of the doubt when i meet and deal with them.
jw
How can you not conclude, objectively, that Lynch is not a moron (pick a different descriptor if you need to)? See, this is my point. You (and so might I, in fact) may sit down with Marshawn and afterwards say: "he's actually a really nice kid". But that assessment does not disprove that he is a moron. His actions have proven this. He has willingly placed his livelihood, his freedom, his team and his fans hopes at risk.
Again, I do not doubt that TO may be a very nice guy in those moments when he steps away from the cameras. But his public behavior (and it seems it is all for public consumption with this guy) is just not normal--even for a star professional athlete in America.
If you disagree that TO is accurately portrayed as a pariah based on his own words and behavior, than I'm not sure how you are being objective. If I found TO pleasant in person, that subjective assessment would not change the conclusions about him I had already made based on historical facts. He has berated and belittled his teammates, his coaches, he has spit in an opponent's face, he has made numerous claims that he was not properly respected or celebrated by whoever his current team was, he has disrespected opposing teams on the field purely for his own edification, he has done almost anything to get attention--including the bizarre driveway workout and the even more bizarre "non suicide attempt". You know all this, yet I just don't see where it finds it's way into your posts to balance your impression of him based on personal interaction. Have we all just misunderstood TO?
Umm .. wow. I miss all the fun.When Mr. Owens, Mr. Wawrow, and the VH1 camera crew went on their house-hunting trip, T.O. knew he was onstage. Same with the Twitter account; hell, one of the Buffalo TV stations is running a feed of his tweets on their Web site. Situps in the driveway, tearful interviews, et cetera, et cetera -- all part of a very public persona.
But considering that he was in California when his real-estate agent -- who he claims agreed to keep the deal confidential -- apparently called up every media outlet listed in the Buffalo phone book to arrange tours of the place without his permission, honestly, can you blame the guy for getting a little bent about this?
I've made it clear that I simply don't believe what he claims. There is no logic to it. He has made a circus of the whole endevour and everyone will know where he lives as soon as he moves in (he'll tweet us!), wherever that is. And cameras will certainly be in his home.
What I don't understand is why two journalists would not be more skeptical of TO's crying "foul" on his landlord here--you know, that he gave her explicit instructions to keep the deal "confidential". It's really not that much of a stretch, is it? You balance all the self-crafted drama with this house stuff so far against "he is a nice guy in person" and the nice guy gets the benefit of the doubt?
Well, then. Amen to Mr. TO's righteous indignation, I guess. But in the end, he is an entertainer--and he knows this, so none of this is very significant in the grand scheme of things.
Just something to argue about until he starts catching TDs.
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i deleted my last post because i've decided i stated my case several times earlier and Mr. WEO has failed to respond, instead, choosing to continue questioning my objectivity while going on with his incessant name-calling.
jw
I responded point by point and called you no names (??).
I asked you how you square the factual record of TO until he arrived in Buffalo with your opinion of him based on your interviews. Or how he can credibly claim that he is upset that his privacy has been violated (asked you this twice).
No reponse indeed.
I have no doubt that TO is not evil and can be a very charming man. I'm sure reporters in Philly and Dallas felt exactly the same way when he first rolled into town.
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Cory Lekkerkerker?
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Very simply, he brought excitement back to a diseased franchise.
We haven't had that same excitement since. In fact, we have spent the past 9 seasons watching our QBs and hoping not to cringe. Look at the crap we've suffered through since, with RJ and JP--two guys who are out of the league.
It was never going to last long, but it was a good time. Why would anyone complain about good times? I'm sure none of these guys were bitching about Flutie back then.
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but i challenged your observation and you suggest i have lost my objectivity in light of all that i have noted has happened. i don't dispute your claim that Owens has a fascination with publicity, but you suggest he gives up all his right to privacy. how?
I said he vouluntarily surrendered his privacy in regard to this house hunting issue. He has made this saga public from the beginning. HE did. And how is it a guy who calls the media to his home for press conferences (after he pulls his gym equipment onto the driveway and oils up for a "workout"), a guy who is taping his "personal life" for a TV show, can expect to keep his new address public. And how did he convince you that he was actually upset that it "got out" this time?
and then you further suggest that i should approach my job in covering T.O. with preconceived notions based on reports that i've read of his past. certainly, it would be wrong of me to ignore Owens' reputation and what's been written about him. but you suggest that i form my opinion -- as you appear to have done -- solely based on his past and not through my personal experiences with him and my own observations, as every reporter should do.These are not "notions", they are factual events. TO is not a mysterious figure---his NFL past has been extensively documented. He's also not one to hold it all in, from what I've read.
so far, the reputation that preceded him and what i have observed do not match. and yet you suggest that i've lost my objectivity, when, in fact i'm attempting to be as objective as possibly by forming my opinion upon my own experiences.and yet, since my opinion doesn't match yours, of course, i am automatically a sellout. but that's easy for you to say because all you seem to deal with is in stubborn absolutes.
Not true. Haven't you asked yourself how he can be such a nice guy when you're chatting with him, yet he has acted as he has and been run out of two towns, despite awesome talent and production? I haven't seen you address this incongruency in his behavior. I am tempted, by what you have posted, to assume you have concluded that perhaps TO is really a good guy who has been misunderstood in his public dealings with the media and his former employers. If I am wrong, I apologize, but I don't see where you have considered this.
also, i dispute your characterization of Marshawn Lynch. is there anyone that you do like?jw
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Come on! Talk about absolutes. I pick on ML and you ask me if I like anyone? Lynch is a complete moron who, despite breaks and warnings, continued to engage in idiotic behavior--which may now cost the Bills a win or two. You can appreciate that opinion, can't you? It's hardly subjective.
Your post made a lot of sense, until you ruined it with the last sentence. How is the media being manipulated?When TO sits down with a reporter and the reporter walks back to his computer simply to write, based on his "personal experience", that TO is just a nice guy---without reference to or analysis of all that is known, then TO is working the media. There's nothing wrong with it. It's what he does and he's done it well--yet it hasn't prevented him from becoming a pariah in the League, unfortunately.
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with all due respect, the reason i disagreed with Mr. WEO's position is because he postulated an absolute conclusion: "it's inconceivable." had he, perhaps, written "it's not inconceivable," then he would have been on firmer ground.
and i now question his authority as a result of his blunt response to my disagreeing with him, and the suggestion that i am among those caught in some manipulative net.
by no means do i consider myself an "authority" on much if anything, and yet i would hope that i have a sense of how the media works and also a little insight into T.O. in having dealt with him now on numerous occasions, including several 1-on-1 interviews.
i'm merely asking Mr. WEO what his credentials might be when it comes to the insights he's providing, and wondering whether he might, in fact, be the one who's being manipulated by the media because his opinions in regards to T.O. -- the "pathologic compulsion" comment in particular -- are ones that have been well covered in the press and on tv.
he has a right to his opinions, as much as i have a right to challenge them. and all i'm asking is whether Mr. WEO reached his opinions based upon personal experience or from the comfort of his living room couch?
jw
It's not a matter of authority---I don't spend much time on my couch nor do I get to interview athletes for a living.
It's a simple observation. My opinion is that it is not conceivable for an athlete that craves so much attention, who has a history of such throughout his career, who has arrived in Buffalo to a lot of contrived fanfare (his arrival at the airport, keys to the city??), who has kept the public abreast of the most mundane activities of daily living (defined, not in the least, by his hunt for shelter), who is being filmed for a reality show---that this guy is truly upset that his new address was leaked by someone. It is manufactured drama. He willfully surrendered his privacy regarding all of this nonsense. He clearly doesn't understand the irony of him outing private citizen's who chose not to rent to him recently. It's clear that he's not the only one to miss this.
It's great to list all of the "positive" events regarding TO since he arrived, but you would have to ignore all of his past behavior and the fact that we are even talking about his house hunt in order to claim he does not have some abnormal need for attention. Any journalist that does so, I believe, has lost their objectivity--perhaps for the privilege of some face time with TO. Look, the "media" didn't make up all the events regarding TO's past--they did not create. TO did, so while he may be a polite, nice man when you sit down and talk to him (I'm not suggesting he's a moron like Lynch), he is what he is--even he has not denied this.
If he is not manipulating how his image is reported, than what is he doing?
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inconceivable? i disagree with that.
jw
More proof that despite what many here think, TO is a master manipulator of the media.
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Now, now, I'm sure that screams "hetero!" to Mr. WEO.
No, actually, that does sound gay. No argument here.
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I think your first statement misses the point. It's not whether or not the location remains a secret. It's whether he gave specific directions to the realtor to keep things on the lowdown and whether she complied or not.
As for your second statement, because for all intents and purposes the season will be over by January 1st, it's possible that Owens is looking for a six month lease. Thirty thousand dollars for six months. He gets to live in a palace with no strings attached. Why would he buy if there is no certainty that he'll be a Buffalo Bill next season? And why shouldn't he rent an upscale house? He has (undoubtedly) a need for space. He has a personal assistant, he surely has an entourage, friends, family, etc. I would think he would need a pretty large house.
I did not miss the point. It is inconceivable that a guy with a pathologic compuslion to share every mundane aspect of his life in Buffalo with the public would instruct anyone to keep his new address secret. He's being filmed for crissakes.
I never suggested he would buy a house in Buffalo. That would be nuts, no matter how long he stays. What I clearly said was that it would be crazy to pay a homeowner far more than it costs to carry the house every month. 30 thousand for 6 months in Buffalo? In that "palace"??
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I think that sometimes too many people are concerned with the results.
Luckily for DJ, none of those "people" sign his paycheck.
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Won't this make TO's girlfriend jealous?
Oh, wait a minute......
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Gee, maybe his defense would have been better if he didn't give the ball away like it was free candy?
He threw a lot of ints. Nobody is denying that. But you can't acknowledge that his defense sucked and that it will still suck AND they have Kyle Orton instead of Cutler struggling to overcome 28 points given away per game.
Jim Kelly played in a far different era, one where it was rare for multiple players to throw for 4000 yards... now, it is the norm for several QBs do do it.No he didn't, no it wasn't. In '89, Majkowski (!), Everett, and Marino were at or over 4000. in'90 Moon, Everett, and Montana. '91 Moon and Marino.....
Gosh, i wish people would actually research the subject before they commented.Yeah, me too.
Cutlers numbers are severely inflated by the fact that he threw the ball so much.I'm gonna let that beauty just sit there. (Folks, we are not making these posts up.)
Cutler DID NOT throw the ball with high efficiency last year, in fact TE and Cutler are about the same when it comes to QB rating and YPA. Cutler had a far better team around him, and he couldn't muster a better QB rating or YPA than Trent Edwards?He was the head of a defense that gained 400 yards per game, he threw for over 300 yards 8 times. He's a young guy.
Sigh, ignorance at its finest.This board is full of idiots who know less than nothing about what they post.
Can't argue with you on this one.
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It's far from me "fervent wish." I have no stake in the teams reigning-in Snyder and Jones. They OTOH have everything at stake. And it's these clowns, along with Kraft, who drew-up that last CBA.
It doesn't take a genius to figure out that you'll have "labor peace" if you give into the demands of your employees. The players wanted 60% of total revenue and ended-up getting 59.5%, while the owners went from 54.5% to 59.5%. That's just a 0.5% decrease in what they players wanted, and a 5% increase over what the owners had been paying. But a sh------- deal is still a sh------- deal and saying "hey, but it preserved labor peace" for a few years while having the potential to screw the league even more down the road, is not saying a whole lot.
I thought Dog did a nice job of explaining this, but apparently it's beyond comprehension for some.
Hence the persuasive response "a sh------- deal is still a sh------- deal". Wow.
Look, the owners got their war chest together and then opted out--leaving the players in a tenuous position. Sounds like a good plan to me. The players will never get a better deal down the road. In fact, in two years, their current deal no longer exists. Gene Upshaw is dead. Once they are locked out, they are at the owners' mercy. 1987.
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Exactly! Everyone needs to calm down about this silly situation in July. The man has a TV show on a channel where all programs are invented drama. He's got episodes to filll...I'm sure this will all be in the supposed "reality" show.
Of course he did. Does he really believe that his ultimate abode will remain a secret in Buff?
And anyone who would pay $5000 a month for that place is nuts. The mortgage on that cookie cutter would be about $3000, no more than 4000.
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Just go back to your Pats* board idiot.
You at the peak of your powers.
So sad.
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I think people miss the point of the old CBA, the owners voted to accept the CBA knowing it was not good because of the upcoming TV contract. They knew the had an opt out in 2 years. This let them get their finances and TV contracts renewed with the fact that they will get their TV money even if there is a lookout. They also built up a lockout fund which has 300 million for each team set aside to cover the owners cost during a lockout. As soon as this was accomplished they dumped the CBA. The upcoming no cap year has a lot of provisions in it to keep teams from going wild and spending crazy. Plus the 2006 Pats were under the cap and would not of had to cut players, the teams it helped the were the Redskins and Cowboys
many people here are always complaining how the Pats sign players for less than market value. Plus the Pats have let a lot of players leave when their contract demands became too high (ie Samuels, Law, Daniels, Gay and others) If they were as free spending as you say they would of signed all of them to big contracts like the Redskins.
Bob Kraft is an outstanding businessman and has been they driving force behind getting the NFL owners 3 tremendous TV contracts, that has generated millions for RW and the Buffalo Bills. The NFL owners even RW have thanked him for this on many occasions. All owners have different opinions on things. Kraft does not want the luxury box income to be counted until after the stadium is paid for, he also wants team to find ways to get more income like selling naming rights for stadiums. If he has to add the income from boxes to the shared pool then RW has to add the 5 million he gets from Erie county for the stadium. RW does not want to do these things but neither want the Jerry Jones or Snyder going crazy. You might also have to add the NY Jets into the picture when they get their new stadium. This will be a major stumbling block in the future on owners who pay for their stadiums verses owners who get free stadiums and all the concession and parking money. Also remeber that the teams get a split of the gate when the play each other. Where the home team gets 60% to 40% for the visting team. because of the lage difference in ticket prices RW gets nearly 50 % more than the Pats do when they play each other
All good points. All wasted on these clowns.
Dogbyte must be a pats* fan.
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Snyder has owned the Redskins for 10 years now. Even if you think he's making just $30M a year in pure profit, that's enough to cover the (let's see, carry the one) $300M stadium. And he's seen the value of his team triple. Kraft is in an even better position, having bought his team for $175M, only to see it increase in value over 7 times. And his portion of the stadium was $325M-$150M from the NFL's G-3 fund. Add them to Jones, who is paying for his stadium, and you have 3 owners TOTAL who paid for their own stadiums, as I said.
First you say "maybe Snyder hasn't paid off his stadium". Then it's "he's making just $30M a year in pure profit, that's enough to cover the (let's see, carry the one) $300M stadium."
A team's value is only relevant when it comes time to sell it. Also, a significant part of the value of the top rated franchises derives from their new stadiums.
It is clear that you are not aware that the G-3 is a loan program. It is paid back, in other words--just like all the other loans a team secures in building a new facility. It was available to all teams, including Ralph, since 1999. So, instead of threatening the poor souls who run Erie County with moving his team in the late 90's in order to get them to buff up "his" stadium, Ralph could have had plans for a new stadium in the works. A new stadium could have been built for under $300 mil back then and if Ralph could have gone with a majority private financing plan (he's got tons and can borrow against the value of a debt free team), combined with matching G-3 money, we might have a new stadium. That would have been a huge bonus for the new owner and the fans and would have likely guaranteed that the Bills remain in Buffalo after he boxes.
Fair enough. Some of the teams did spend money on their stadiums. But outside of the Jets and Giants (who are in the largest market in the US, received $300M from the NFL and are sharing the cost between them, not to mention the exorbitant prices they're charging), every owner stuck his taxpayers with well over a $200M bill. Moreover, they raised their ticket prices by 50%, and the taxpayers are still responsible for stadium upkeep. And in Adams' case, he MOVED the team. Try proposing those to Erie County, versus what Ralph asked for, and see how far you get.Adams moved the team because Houston wouldn't take his money as part of financing of a new stadium. Nashville took his money. The not so bright folks in Houston then quickly coughed up nearly $200 million for a new stadium for the hapless expansion Texans.
Found this on Baseball Prospectus:
There is no such thing as a "small market" in football.One of the vox populi arguments for the NFL is that teams in its smallest cities--Green Bay, Jacksonville, Minneapolis--are competitive. It's a nice thought, but the fact is, where an NFL team plays is essentially irrelevant. With the national-TV contract bringing in so much money, all that's left is to fill a stadium eight days a year. The population base required to sustain an NFL team is probably one-tenth that needed to sustain an MLB franchise, when you consider the limited number of home dates and the greater percentage of seats sold via season tickets.
If anything, the NFL's system has led to some real absurdities. One Los Angeles team moved to Oakland, another to St. Louis. The team in Houston moved to Memphis. If "markets" mattered, these things would never happen. Essentially, NFL games are studio events, and where the studios happen to be located isn't important, as long as there are 80,000 interested parties within an hour's drive.
As opposed to your cents-less claim that the Bills could just raise prices without any concern? LOL! And you realize that season tickets cost less per game than gameday tickets, and that most years, people can sell even just a couple tickets and payoff most or all of their cost for the seasons, right? Hence the reason you see the stadium filled with Pats fans, or Cowboys fans like in 2007?How much did you spend on Bills tickets this past season? How much more would you be willing to pay per ticket?
A senseless claim is that the Bills would have to double their prices to get in line with the league average. They are less than $20 from the average. The Skins are not even in the top 5. All teams did not increase their ticket prices after they opened their new stadiums.
More BS.
10 Best Offseason Moves.........per Florio
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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No doubt if he put TO to Bills #1, you would put him right back on your Christmas card list.