Mr. WEO

I figured they chartered, in which case it's odd they had to wait on an inbound plane.

indoor plumbing next?

Beane gets the credit----now we know why he called up White.

where did he succeed as an OC?

He's bereft of ideas. Went died under his leadership. Lawrence is suffering the same fate. It's not like he has no control over his Offense/OCs. The game, to be very kind, has passed this bum by.

So Pederson is so unlucky that 2 different OCs on 2 different teams coaching 2 different 1st round QBs (under his leadership) watched their franchise QBs careers slide? He couldn’t (as HC, not OC) see it happen I guess. wow that’s tough! He really needs to speak up next time

he's run 2 first round QBs' careers off the rails....why not make it 3?!

what else are they going to say?

I ague it doesn't matter. That tehre is no "process". It's a business. Some owners are more naked in their roster intentions. They don't pretend there are some cultural entrance requirements or behavioral exclusion criteria (they sniffed hard on AB, recall--as they should have) to being offered a contract. Infallibility? lol--there's a spectrum of human behavior that may in theory have that at one end, straw man! But you can't make it seem like you are a certain type of "culture"...and back up the truck for a guy like this. It's hardly a call for "infallibility or nothing!", just the elimination of sanctimony.

Here we go!!

you were wrong on the Browns claim as well (you already copped to this). You can pick any "horrible game" by Lamar (or Josh for that matter)---no sane person would have replaced him for a backup, let alone a 38 year old. this is the topic. you've moved the posts a few times. one last time, let me test the depths of this delusion: would the Ravens beat the Texans in the playoff without Jackson?

I mean you have to say that at this point...lol but the reality is that the Ravens had a 10 point 4th Q lead in the Raiders game. Defense choked it away. But you're convinced that had the 2 time MVP been benched late in the 4th Q in a game that the Defense is giving away, some bum off the bench is going to win the game for the Ravens?? forget rabbit holes, you've painted yourself into quite a corner!

how about the Raiders game? Had they benched him, his backup would have won that game for them right?

You don’t say! Maybe Stroud had a bad day in that loss? But a Ravens backup would beat Stroud every Sunday? lol ok. So….if .they benched “terrible playing” Lamar (335 yards total, 2TD, zero turnovers) early in that Cleveland game, they would have won? Jackson got them the lead 3 different times including with 1 minutes to go…..but their backup would have win that game? wild…

i don't really have a problem either. it's a game, bring in any winners--- that's why they ignored his personal baggage and signed him to that contract. he's a POS as a man, let's just accept that--and that there is no real "Pegula/Bills Process"---and hope this signing finally pays off this off season. The infallibility of the FO shouldn't be something anyone wants to promote---because it's unnecessary to believe they are any different. They are just doing business in the NFL.

really? the last one was a RB...

you jumped into this listing all the teams "some" backup (other than the one they have, but OK, I played along with this sidetrack) could beat...yet Lamar lost to the Browns AND the Raiders.... this year! But ....."some" backup plus Henry, Zay Flowers and Andrews, could handle those 2 playoff teams, as well as 2 teams they couldn't handle with Jackson? I can't argue with that kind of thinking.....lol

remember when Mrs. Pegula was described here as the social conscience of the front office? No one had a problem with a guy who had previously beat his kids mother (no charges filed) and had serially failed/cheated the drug screening mechanism.

I guess you are having a different conversation. but … Playing versus a bad QB you can’t assume the game would unfold the same way for Denver or Houston as it did playing Lamar. That’s intuitively true. Everything might be different: time of possession, number of possessions, ints…..

Except Young isn't a backup. (nor is he a rookie). He doesn't belong in this convo. scroll up to see how it evolved. A poster said their backup could win "at least 9" games for the Ravens, given the talent on that roster. impossible. if you want to invent other backups for the Ravens, such as Andy Dalton, he has no chance of leading them to 9 wins, let alone more.

Dalton was benched for Fields, lol. so, no....

if only stats for players worked that way. In fact, he's had 2 sacks since halloween (8 games).

that was the point I was responding to. if you want to change the argument to equal backup--use Johnson (as I already did). Or Mitch--doesn't matter. But, if you insist: when the overwhelmingly vast majority of your Offense is a function of your otherworldly franchise QB, there's no logical reason to believe some scrub (like Dalton) is winning 9 games on either roster. pretty simple. Derrick Henry isn't overcoming that....

You can't just invent guys to put on a roster to make your point (Brissett and Browning stink, Fields was a starter this season. Anyway, as below, you can't assume the Offense will be as functional with the backup and the Offense wouldn't miss a beat without Jackson--that's just intuitively true. There's no reason to look at Josh Johnson (their actual backup) and say he's beating 3 playoff teams. stop...lol a factual one. It would not be possible for the Ravens to win 9 games with Johnson--no matter how they are otherwise stacked. you can't stick a guy like Johnson in there and expect the entire Offense to carry on as though Jackson is still behind Center. If you were the backup in Philly, that's a 3 win team. doesn't make their QB the MVP. It's just common sense. If all they had was Barkley as their playmaker, they would be very easy to defend as the pass would simply be taken away.

Johnson is their backup. I don't know what a component backup is. regardless, there's no chance they beat Washington, Denver, Houston.