Mr. WEO

wut? no

Best part was him celebrating these 2 straight up drops.

I just showed you 2 other QBs that had more carries and a lower fumble rate, so, no I'm not sure what you mean here. There is no connection between why a QB runs and if he fumbles. The majority of any QB's runs are not called plays. Some QBs/TEs/RBs fumble a lot, some hardly at all--this should be intuitively true. RBs fumble less than QBs not least because they protect the ball better by training. Danny Jones, who played under far more duress last season than Allen did last year AND had far less help than Allen did, had 120 carries to Allen's 124---yet only 6 fumbles to Allen's 13. Fields played on an even worse Offense, yet he had a lower fumble rate than Allen.

Bills have zero rings with 4 top 5 D's and Josh Allen.

He fumbled 13 times last year, the second most in his career.

Sure, no one is denying that Josh isn't getting the help he needs from his teammates and his coaches. That's not on topic. A ball carrier is a ball carrier, a fumble is a fumble. Once he takes off, the many reasons prompted him to chose to run don't have any impact on his ability to hold on to the ball. What you are suggesting makes no sense. Fields had 33% more carries last year and 31% fewer fumbles. Fields had 30% more carries but only 18% more fumbles. Both had a higher "success rate" (at least 40% of the yardage needed on 1st down, 60% needed on 2nd down and 100% needed on 3rd or 4th down) running the ball. There's no such thing as a separate "I'm not getting any help" fumble.

That's really not the point. A fumble is a fumble, not matter whether a called run or a scramble. The ball has to stay in the QB's hands either way, all the same. The "TO metrics" are expressed as INT rates (passing) and fumbles (rushing).

clearly not

absolute nonsense.

Mahomes (as you pointed out), Hurts and throw in Jackson, whos' typically in the 70's or so--the differences are insignificant and therefore it's easily imaginable. Your premise is faulty--it doesn't have to do with the "Offense he is expected to provide". Allen's INT% alone is higher than Mahomes, Jackson or Hurts---or Cousins (who accounted for 75% of Vikings yards last year) or.... then his INT rate should be as low as any of them. that would require 2 new threads

not unimaginable.

come on. you think it was all "Joe Schoen"? These arguments that HCs don't have a huge say in assembling their rosters are always dumb---but especially in this case. Schoen is a nobody.

Since he entered the league in 2018, Josh Allen has more turnovers than any other player (91).

the topic is NFL MVP, not which Offense is in the top 10. By your logic, Tua should be handed the MVP right now.

Daboll and Beane's Dunkin Donuts coffee boy decided to pay a less than mediocre Jones for that one win over Minnesota--and they both assembled the team on the field. They finished last 9 games 3-6. They won 2 of their last 5 (playoffs included) and 3 of the last 10 games they played----this after a 7-2 start. Now you are saying can't blame Daboll because every QB he put on his roster sucks? As CBiscuit pointed out, other HCs are doing ok with worse. Daboll was a figment of Josh Allen. Nothing more.

He's still not 2019 (insanely good year to get MVP) or 2020 Lamar. He'll struggle to break 20 passing TDs at this rate. Still running a lot. Tua is at 70%, 2600 and 19 TDs.

another missed point...

this is Lamar every year. Then he's gone.

What would the Giants record be with Daboll's franchise QB Danny Dimes be in those 4 games? What more evidence does this board need to show that Daboll is not HC material. Last year's COTY award was the worst selection ever. He lead the team on a second half of the season freefall, yet still made the playoffs. Beat the worst D in the league with Jones playing a once in a lifetime game. Then got destroyed the next game. Awful since.

no i meant Mack. The Chargers still stink. Worst D in the NFL.

That was Josh Allen as well last night.

Mack is a great example of why bad teams should not give away assets for one dominant Defensive player. He only plays for losers. Zero impact signing every where he went.

11 games with him: 18 ppg (8-3) 5 games without him: 17 ppg (5-0)

lol, typical post loss thread. I love this place!

Brown and Sanders?? Lol