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First of all that Baldobillz guy has odd takes. He seems to really have something person against Moulds. Stevie does get open really well off the line. But what about after 10 yards???
You want to talk about slowing down, think about the deep balls Stevie caught over the 2011 2010 and compare it with last year????
Stevie is not even in the same class as Moulds....Let's get that straight
Moulds, as great as he was, is not in the class of Andre Reed......let's get that straight. Andre Reed will eventually get in the HOF, Moulds will never get in......Reed is possibly the best receiver EVER as far as RAC. Reed was an outstanding route runner. Outstanding hands....but just because Moulds isnt an Andre Reed, is not a knock to Moulds in anyway.
The poster who "hints" that Shobel was better than Moulds. Not even close. Shobel not even better than Winfield. Very close with Pat Williams for 3rd. I'd probably give Shobel the slight nod at 3rd. I consider Winfield pretty darn close to Moulds as far as a overall football player.
Also, why in the heck would you compare Moulds to receivers who were mostly intermediate and deep targets?? Moulds was an all around receiver. He did short, intermediate and deep.
Don't fall in love with the stats. People who know football, who saw him play go by the eye test. And the eye test says this guy was an elite receiver. I remember the hoody saying Moulds was one of the best receivers in the league, I heard T.O. say it, Andre Johnson said it, Jerry Rice said it.....so sorry Badolbeelz but I would take the opinion of pros who played the position over your "opinion"
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Slappin' butts?
You really don't know what he did, do you?Let's see, you just insulted bald guys and kids who grew up without dads in your post. You covered about 2/3 of the TBD community in one swoop. Way to make your point.
This is exactly the kind of rose colored memory that I am talking about. Moulds was nothing like Stevie as a receiver. Stevie is always open. Moulds got deep because he went deep A LOT. But that part of his game consistently declined each year. And no, he didn't get cut because he was too big.....he was old and slow. He started having leg problems in 1999 and it slowed him down. Just look at his YPC.
Sounds like you have a very biased view of Moulds. I didn't view Moulds as leaper. I stand corrected. i will say this, I dont think he was the type of red zone threat that you just lob the ball up there and he grabs it. I just didn't see it and I saw every game he played in a Bills uniform.
Stevie is always open???????? Confusing that you would say that. Steive certainly does a great job getting open of the line. But he has some difficulty getting separated. Stevie is a legit 1 receiver but he is not in the class of E Moulds. let's just get that straight.
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Most overrated Buffalo Bill ever.
He was absolutely unreal in 1998. After that, he quickly began to lose quickness and speed and declined. By 2002 he was really having a hard time getting open and he never had anything more than average hands. Bledsoe was fantastic that year and Moulds put up good numbers with an array of weapons helping open things up, but Moulds was a shadow of that WR he had been in 1998.
Not to mention the fact that he mailed-in his first 2 seasons because he was too busy getting his freak on and slappin' his women in Buffalo around, dodging his child support payments in Mississippi and generally keeping the Bills legal counsel occupied.
There are a lot of Bills fans who were children when Moulds was in his brief prime and I understand that looking thru the eyes of a 9 year old Bills fan Moulds was the man......but other than 1998 he was not one of the elite WR in the NFL. Not even that close either.
I literally can't think of even ONE acrobatic grab he ever made as a receiver and as time wore on his RAC yards became non-existent. The Bills QB play declined significantly after 2002 but by 2003 he was ailing and practically every throw to him was up for grabs because he just couldn't separate. He would come back to a ball, catch it and then turn around and try to put these moves on the db that he didn't seem to realize were in slow motion. His feet just got slow.
I will say this though, he once caught a ball, then turned around and flattened Phillip Buchanon with a stiff arm and stepped on his neck as he trucked over him and that was one of the better plays I saw from a Buffalo Bill in the decade of the 2000's.
Most overrated Bill ever?????
Honestly, when you reference things like child support and slapping butts and stuff, it seems like your feelings about him as a player might be skewed by personal stuff.
As a Buffalo Bill football player I can tell you this. When that ball went up in the air to number 80, I knew we were getting the ball in the hands of our best player. No body and I mean no body snatched that ball down with more of a mean streak than this guy. And after he got that ball, watch out. Like the other poster mentioned, I do recall him complaining about flags a little too much. He was not a leaper at all. I can remember him getting forced fed a couple of lobs in the end zone and that didn't work out to well. I think the feeling is that since he was big, he was a leaper and that he wasn't.
The guy had speed. I don't care what his 40 time was he got behind people often. Heck I remember Leavy giving Moulds really high praise on his speed. The guy had very good hands. Excellent route runner. But he was nasty as hell on the field.
Question for you. Post super bowl era, name a better Buffalo Bill at his position better than Eric Moulds? FYI, I would rate Antoine Winfield as the second best Bill post super bowl era.
Lastly.....let's not forget who was throwing to him......the one year wonder Flutie. the half season wonder Bledsoe (during his Bills tenure), J.P. Losman, Alex Van Pelt, Rob JOhnson, Kelly Holcomb. I mean give me a break. Just ask Larry Fitzgerald the importance of having a quality QB throwing the ball.
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I turned it on during him, Ben Utecht, Torry Smith and I believe with some other former players. I listened for a minute or two but they asked Moulds a couple of questions and one of them was does Buffalo have the best fans in the NFL. Without a moment of heisitation Eric stated absolutely! He then went on to say that no matter what the weather was like or our record Buffalo would ALWAYS sell out. I appreciate his sentiment and I have always felt that #80 got robbed in his career. If there were any kind of continuity or stability during his career here his numbers would even be nastier. The guy was a baller and was a big time Miami killer. I still got a dark blue jersey of his in my closet that is way oversized for me so I ended up giving it to one of my sons. I remember one time that Terrell Owens was asked during the height of his career that if he were to assemble a team what players would be choose and Moulds was the first WR of choice for him. At the time that was a pretty big compliment coming from T.O. #80 will always be one of my all time Bills.
I feel the same way about Moulds. I think he's the best player to put on a Bills uniform from 1998 to present. the only member of the Bills since 98 who was arguably among the top 3 at his position as a Bill (unless we are counting a punter)
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If I run with that order, you get:
- Cordarrelle Patterson WRF or Tavon Austin WRS (Value)
- E.J. Manuel QB or Tyler Wilson QB (Value)
- Brian Winters OG (Reach)
- Vance McDonald TE or Gavin Escobar TE (Value)
I'd be happy with that draft.
If you take TE before OG, it'd be
- Cordarrelle Patterson WRF or Tavon Austin WRS (Value)
- E.J. Manuel QB or Tyler Wilson QB (Value)
- Jordan Reed TE or Travis Kelce TE in RD3
- JC Tretter OG
I'd be ecstatic with that draft!
Patterson is a big reach with number 8. Plus with lack of experience, I don't see buddy nix touching him at all.
E.J. Manuel is a reach at the top of 2nd round pick imo
I don't know the guards and TE's that you mention.
I really wouldnt be surprised if the made a major reach for Nassib with the 8th pick. Some are saying he is the best qb in the draft
- Cordarrelle Patterson WRF or Tavon Austin WRS (Value)
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Let's not forget about Moats. He fits an OLB in 3-4 best and was effective as a pass rusher in that d.
I don't see the bills drafting a LB high anyway. Too many needs, invested too much on Defense to draft high on Defense.
I see a WR in 1st rd
I see a QB in 2nd rd
I see a G in 3rd rd
I see a TE in 4th rd
This draft will heavy on the offensive side of the ball.
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Someone explain to me how some voted good for #1 WR when we don't have one
Stevie Johnson is a good Number 1 receiver. He's not the best but he is good. Imagine if he had a decent QB. and he still managed to put up 1000 yard seasons in 3 consecutive years. When was the last Bills receiver to do that? Over the last 20 years, the only two Bills receivers that we've had better than him are Eric Moulds and Andre Reed (Lofton was old when we got him).
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good points. Just trying to find something to look forward to.
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Doug E. Fresh????? What is this guy smoking??
Well if you are going to say that those finds were the work of the pro scouting then out of fairness and consistency, you must say that the drafts are about the college scouting and not him???? Right Simple Simon????
GM's oversee the whole deal not just the draft
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Hope springs eternal. I think he gets his chance in 2017.
it's his 4th year.
That's only if you are counting when he missed an entire year for injury.
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Why are you guys judging him exclusively on the draft. What about cap position. That's a big part of his job as well. Do you remember the Donahoe error and how he left us in cap hell!!!! Heck Butler did to if I am remembering correctly. And lets not even look at the Jet's cap hell. Buddy always left this team in a healthy cap position. He had to over pay for Mario. It happens. And you know what, Mario did what he does 10 - 12 sacks but not dominant.
Also, what about judging him also on his ability to find hidden good players on the cheap. Like other posters mentioned. Chandler, Urbik, Moore, Barnett. Good finds on the cheap.
The draft wasn't the best but he drafted better than the other Bills GM's prior to him
Coaching was a complete failure. Dave Wanstedt was probably the worst D Coordinator I have ever seen walk the Bills sideline. Gailey was a recently fired offensive coordinator that no one wanted as a head coach and the Bills picked him up. so coaching was a flop so far but hopefully marrone can have something to say about that.
And as far as the meatheads who want to beat him up for passing over Dalton and Gronk. Look at the other 30 something GM's who past them up as well.
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Calm down. Levite is really good but not 8per given the needs that the bills have and wood being up next year.Reinhard was not and is not a quality starter.calm down ppl. I wouldn't be surprised if hairs ton moves to rg and urbik over to lg
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Most of you guys are so short sighted. The same stuff that you are saying about Nix could be applied to most of the GM"s in the league.
The dude has never left the Bills in a bad salary cap situation.
The guy made solid draft choices. Not the best but certainly not the worse.
And all this bitchin and crying about Fitzs' contract. Did you think about this??? When Fitz signed the extension, most of you on this board was HAPPY that Fitz was signed because at that point he earned the extension and the contract was not huge. Remember, Fitz was having a Pro Bowl caliber season at the point he signed the contract.
Everybody wants to throw the guy under the bus because Fitz hit a downward spiral, who would have forseen that???
He drafted C.J. Spiller one of the most dynamIrc players in the league
Urbik, Chandler and Barnett were good finds.
Getting Gilmore and glenn was a great 1 2 punch.
Not paying Bell the big money cutting Florence etc. This guy has done a solid job.
Of course there have been some blunders (no one is perfect) but he has been the best GM that we've had since who ever we had while Wade Phillips was coaching (I don't remember but I think it was Butler)
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I for one am really hoping that Marcus Easley has a breakthrough year.
Remember Eric Moulds was a bust until his third year.
Stevie Johnson was invisible until his third year.
Marcus Easley I get it is not anywhere near these guys but I just hope he can prove to be a viable option for the bills this his third year.
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This is not an either or deal. Look at the potential backups for Byrd and Levitre. The Bills DO NOT have a serviceable backup for either. Answer SIGN BOTH!! They have the cap space to do it. If one has to get franchised first then franchise Levitre. His durability and level of play are very valuable to this franchise. And if you go back to my post, since his rookie year (when many people were saying how bad he was) I always thought he was every bit as good as Wood.
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Honestly!! As unrealistic as this sounds, I wish he could be retained as the O.C.
I think he could do well in that capacity under the direction of the right head coach. Chan is not a head coach he is a coordinator.
Well, I hope Nix is safe.
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All speculation at this point. They are trying to get a deal done with Byrd so I would imagine he is their number one priority.Franchsing him is a lower number than Levitre so I don't think Byrd will be flying anywhere soon. Locking up Urbik makes Levitre, a little (emphasie little) more expendable. But my guess is that they'll keep both. Donald jones will stay and Mckelvin will probably leave.
Side note: Why is it that our D looked horrible last week for the first time in a long time.........A williams was on the field for the first time in a long time.....conincidence????/hmmm
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.....This is who the Bills hired.
2007 - Gailey was dismissed from Georgia for having 6 consecutive underacheiving seasons.
2008 - K.C. good season as an offensive coordinator
2009 - Fired as and Offensive Coordinator during pre-season and was out of football for the rest of that year.
2010 - Hired as Bills Head Coach?????
Ladies and Gentlemen, you get what you pay for.
The guy is probably a good off. cord. but I don't see head coach.
Is it true that this is the final year of his contract?
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i think Mario is playing at or near the best of his abilities. The bottom line is that he is a better than average def lineman in this league. Way too much expectations on him coming into this year.
I just dont understand why they don't move him around more.
I also wonder why they d line isn't rotated like in the past.
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Rhinehart and Hairston aren't that far off from Glenn and Urbik. The line will be ok.
AGreed 100% We have quality Oline depth for the first time since the super days.
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Moorman was fired after 3 games.
Moorman I believe was the highest tenured Bills player at the time he was fired.
Stache has only been in his role as D.C. for 4 games
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Agree. Fitz is clearly not the answer. I am not sold in Kapernick because I haven't seen enough of him.
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Like I posted in another thread. The Stache DOES NOT deserve to be fired. After the first half of the Patriots game, you probably said to yourself, wow, we only held the Pats to 7 points. And we forced a few three and outs. The Pats made the adjustments at half time and we didn't and that's what it comes down to.
Did he do a poor job on the whole? No question about it. But he does not need to be fired after 4 games???? That's just over reacting.
If the front 4 doesn't get pressure then you see the results of what happens.
Why isn't Mario Williams being lambasted? I was never big on that signing. And he has been the most quiet DL of the Bills starting four.
Also why isn't the players being blamed. The blown communication, the poor coverage. Do not lay it all at the doorstep of the stache. Not based on on half of football against the best QB our Bills have faced during the 2000s.
Bills' Top FIve Players are.......
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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1) Mario Williams. - He was not put in the best positions last year, was injured and still had double digit sacks. Not to mention hurries.
2) Stevie Johnson - Consistent. Productive. Reliable. Sturdy.
3) C.J. Spiller - Exlosive. Big play maker game changer. But can he handle a full time load? Can he settle for 2 yd plays?
4) Jarius Byrd - Makes some big plays and is the occasional game changer. Solid tackler. Solid in coverage.
5) Eric Wood - Very consistent. Keeps the line together. Gets good push on the ball. Rarely beat. Rarely penalized
Runners up: Kyle Williams, Marcel Dareus, Stephon Gilmore