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People must remember that leo was also high first round pick. In fact, I think he was the first cb drafted in his draft class. Gilmore was not.
Leo has been our best player in the secondary this year. I must give him credit.
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We don't need a high draft pick receiver if we don't have the right guy throwing him the ball. We need to use that high pick on another QB. Receiver is one of our strongest positions on the roster. A starting three of JOhnson, Woods and Goodwin is very formidable. Graham, 7 11, and Easley are good depth guys. I'd rather see them draft a gang changing "weapon" at the tight end position.
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Did anyone else notice how Bradham was way faster than Byrd during the Bucs 1st qtr Touchdown run? Just shows how good his ball instincts must be to be that slow.
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forget the backup talk. If a potential franchise guy falls to us in first round pick him up
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Let's not get ahead of ourselves. Teams will have more time to game plan and take away Goodwin out of the game. Having said that, he is probably our best receiver. I think I'd rather see the Bills start Goodwin and Graham the rest of the way. All that speed on the field opens it up. If not Graham maybe Woods. But there is no way Goodwin should not be a full time starter. Even Hogan looked good in his role. The Bills have huge amounts of talent at WR.
I see Goodwin and Woods as possibly being a Jackson Macklin like combo.
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Aaron Williams is a playmaker. He improved so much since last year. Happy for him as well........if both he and Byrd' contract was expiring this year (which I know isn't the case) I would take him over Byrd. A.W."s versatility is very valuable and he's very young and brings a swag.
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how about we release you for creating this thread.
A free agent rookie qb getting his first start against the only undefeated team in the league and you guys want to jump all over the guy. If he doesn't make the mistake in the endzone we win the game.
You guys are forgetting something. When Flynn was available as a free agent, his o.c. just got the gig in Miami. Miami was in need of a qb and had little to no interest in Flynn. And what did Flynn go on to do since leaving g.b.?
For all of you guys crying for Flynn. He obviously wasn't the answer. As I said, earlier. The head coach from Dolphins didn't want him and he was his O.C. during Flynn's time at G. B. Since then, Flynn lost to a rookie, was beat out by a supplemental draft player and now cut again.
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how about we release you for creating this thread.
A free agent rookie qb getting his first start against the only undefeated team in the league and you guys want to jump all over the guy. If he doesn't make the mistake in the endzone we win the game.
You guys are forgetting something. When Flynn was available as a free agent, his o.c. just got the gig in Miami. Miami was in need of a qb and had little to no interest in Flynn. And what did Flynn go on to do since leaving g.b.?
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For the people who are bashing the Tuel......keep this in mind.....not only is he a rookie....not only did he go undrafted.....this will be his first start.....and this week he didn't even get all of the 1st string snaps...he had to split them with Flynn...and he is going against the team with the best record in the league......Rookie season people.....I know he sucked in Clevland, but he looked really good during pre season. Let's give him a chance. I bet many people (including myself) were worried as heck about Thad's first start. I am sure most of us did not predict that he would be as good as he was. Who ever thought we all would be hoping that Thad freakin Lewis would be under center for the start of a game. The point, Very few believed in Thad and he came threw. Let's give Tuel support
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Some of you guys are so fickle. I remember after that pre season game, people were all about Tuel. Calling for him to be number 2 ahead of Kolb. Heck even some wanted to see he and E.J. compete for starting job. He got thrown into a national tv game and looked terrible and everyone is all over the kid. Look, lets throw the kid out there and see what he does. If it doesn't look well remember, it'll be his first time starting in his rookie season........cut the kid a break.
Also, show some trust in the coaches. The obviously want to win. If they don't put Flynn in there, obviously there is a reason for it. They aren't trying to tank games or anything.
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I think when people get carried away by saying he was a top 5 corner, they were judging him relative to being a first year corner. As a first year corner he was good. Not excellent but above average. You absolutely cannot grade this guy this year. You just can't until that cast comes off. If anything, how about we give the guy some damn credit for going out there with a cast while Byrd spent damn near half the season complaining of sore feet.
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another thread that should be closed.
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In order 1) Mario 2) Kiko 3) Dareus Not a pro bowler MVP of offense? Fred Jackson
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This just in. Kevin Kolb sucks and we brought him in to compete vs EJ.
This just in Matt Lienart sucks and we brought him in.
This just in Matt Flynn sucks. (Well maybe not just in. This is old info)
This just in. Dont care if flynn is 2,3,4 or 8th qb on the team. I dont want his rejected ass on the team.
This just in. Tired of typing this just in.
Another stupid money move. Pay the guy (Flynn) like $8.75-12.63 per hour if he plays and nothing if he rides the bench.
Bringing in Flynn on a year deal is a good move. Manuel is out for a while. And if Thad were to get injured, Tuel would have been in the game. Flynn would probably give the team a better chance to win than Tuel. The coach already stated that he views Tuel as a practice squad/developmental QB this year.
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I hope this thread is a joke. Stephon Gilmore was already a top 5 corner in the entire NFL by the end of last season. We would be having a very surprising season if he had been healthy all year rather than having Justin Rogers cover top WRs. If there is ANY PROBLEMS on this team Stephon Gilmore would NEVER be considered one of them. With that being said he is playing with one arm. That speaks to how good he is. He is better with one arm than anyone else we have with two arms. Obviously he isnt going to be flawless with one available arm to him. This guy is an absolute star.
This thread is absurd. You have a corner back running around with a damn club on his hand. How in the heck is he supposed to be productive as a 2nd year player with that thing on his hand? In all of my years of watching football, I have never seen a DB out there with that thing on his hand. So you cannot judge this guy. To say that he was a top 5 corner in NFL is a huge reach. Can't believe on the back of a win, people are picking on a DB out there trying to battle with a club on his hand.
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how long is Flynns deal? That will really bring clarity to things. If its a 3 year deal, they have to see this guy as e.j.s true backup. if its a one year deal, i see it as a bandaid intel type thing. i think this much is clear, they dont wanna see tuel anywhere near the football field this year.
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I don't know if this will change your opinion at all; I just like to point out that the team won't have all that cap space forever, and decisions need to be made. They are currently paying Urbik $4M/year, and just extended Eric Wood for $6.5M/year. In another year and a half, they'll need to re-sign Cordy Glenn to LT money ($9M/year minimum). You can't expect to keep every free agent, and if you intend to be a good all-around team, paying $28M/year to 4 players on the OL isn't practical. Good teams don't do that.
You won't find a great team paying top 10 money to more than 1 or 2 offensive linemen. According to Spotrac, here's a list of teams paying top dollar to more than 1 (with average annual salary in parenthesis):
Jets - Mangold (2) and Ferguson (7)
Broncos - Clady (1) and Vasquez (10)
Panthers - Gross (6) and Kalil (1)
Rams - Long (8) and Wells (4)
Seahawks - Okung (9) and Unger (6)
TB - Nicks (1), Joseph (5), and Zuttah (10)
NO - Evans (3) and Grubbs (7)
That's only 7 teams in the 32-team league that are paying more than 1 OL top 10 money. When Wood's contract kicks in next year, he'll be the 4th-highest paid C in the league in terms of average salary, so saving the big money for Glenn, instead of Levitre, was a wise move IMO.
Now that's an excellent post. I wish some the bills writers did this type of analysis.
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I just wondered why they never considered bringing Tarvaris Jackson back. I am sure they could have gotten him back for a 7th rounder. The guy has taken a team to the playoffs. He couldn't have been that bad.
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this is all about coaching I think....go back to this time last year. Most people had Mckelvin and Williams and draft bust....now look at this year? These guys are on the brink of playing at a pro bowl level. How does 2 db's go from being burried at the bottom of the depth chart to this level of production and one year? New coaching staff and scheme. Brought out the best and these 2 guys. Until Gilmore gets back, I'd like to see Williams and Mckelvin at CB Robey at nickel And Byrd and Leonhard at Safety Searcy Dime.
And when Gilmore comes back who would you send to the bench???? I am sure the obvious answer would be Leonhard but I that guy has been a stud this year. I am really feeling that our secondary (healthy) is one of the biggest strengths on this team.
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Anybody who was praising EJ after game # 2 was dilusional
The final drive was bascially checkdowns, one questionable PI and a wide open SJ on blown coverage
The reason for dismay is EJ is 13-31 on passes greater than 10 yards
After years of Captain Checkdown and Ryan "can't throw to the sideline or post" Fitzpatrick its extremely discouraging to have another QB who looks unable to deliver on medioum to long passes
I totally agree.....but after reading the forums, I am going to stay patient with the rookie.....but I have to admit, I don't see why everyone seems so impressed with his "poise"
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Let me start off by saying this doesn't mean Manuel will ever be as good as Wilson, but let's settle down a bit.
Wilson: http://sports.yahoo..../?season=2012_2
43 of 75 (57.3%), 434 yards (144.7 yards/ game), 5.79 ypa, 4 tds to 1 INT, 1 fumble lost, Seattle averages 19 points/ game.
Also in his 4th start, Wilson threw 0 tds and 3 ints.
Manuel: http://sports.yahoo..../players/26639/
64 of 108 (59.3%), 689 yards (229.7 yards/ game), 6.4 ypa, 4 tds to
1 ints, 1 fumble lost. 21.7 points
1) Both had 4td to 1 int ratio. IMO, this is one of the most important stats for a QB. You can win a lot of games with that ratio.
2) Seattle might have the best defense in the NFL. They carried that team while Wilson learned on the job. With their injuries, the Bills have struggled on D. Manuel has been asked to do much more.
3) 2 weeks of missing your 1st training camp is huge. Wilson had a whole training camp.
4) Let's all take a deep breath and relax.
I found this post very helpful. I was really hard on E.J. Good reminder to stay patient and give the guy time.
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DearTBD:
I think E.J. should throw more check downs. He is far to aggressive for my taste.
Sincerely,
Trent Edwards
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Ralph Wilson just called.....he said to me, I thought we cut Trent Edwards......I said nah.....he just put on weight, got a sun tan and changed his name to E.J.
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JUst got a call from Jeff Burris.....he said take it easy on Justin Rogers....he is a good db......James Williams (from the super bowl days) agrees with him
Fred Jackson's last game at the Ralph?
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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Does anyone know his cap number for next year?
He Is the oldest back in the year so of course he has slowed. still productive and valuable though......steady freddy