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Funny Magox, you never seem to answer key questions. How do you think Trent would have done in an Urban Meyer offense? Or a Rich Rodriguez offense? Would he have beaten out Jamarcus Russell at LSU? Was Trent a good enough college player to start at USC? Was he good enough to hold off a Matt Ryan at Boston College? Could Trent Edwards beat out every college Qb in every system? Does it matter to you, that many HOF weren't definitive starters in college? Do you care to engage in a give and take debate? Would you rather just repeat the same high school rankings over and over again? Does it matter that many high ranking high school players struggle? Do you understand that this isn't a reflection on Trent the NFL Qb? Do you know that many many college teams don't run NFL offenses? I didn't think so. Your answer to an argument you can't win is to dumb it down. Whats more unrealistic? To think Trent couldn't have beat out every college Qb, or to believe he could. You know the answer.

Your response = surrender LOL

HAHAHAHAHA! Way to dumb down the debate, Magox. You have a way of avoiding subjects that you know leave you in the wrong. It started when someone said that Trent would have had a much more productive career at a big time program. This was said to support the argument that with greater production, he would have achieved a higher draft grade. Their isn't one person here who can argue that point one way or another. It's a hypothetical, situation. I do feel comfortable saying Trent couldn't start on many college teams. Peyton Manning couldn't either. Are you still with us, Magox? COLLEGE FOOTBALL IS DIFFERENT THAN THE NFL. Do you realize that alot of colleges run wild offenses that you don't see in the NFL? Rich Rodriguez and Urban Meyer both wouldn't want a Qb like Trent. Why do you think great college Qbs don't always become great NFL Qbs? Tom Brady sat behind Brian Griese for two years. Then he was constantly battling Drew Henson for the starting job. Which he ultimately won, but not without alot of trouble. So in short, starting positions aren't always determined by high school rankings. Follow? We haven't even scratched the surface Magox. Do you want to get into highly ranked high school players who have to transfer in order to start? Do you want to talk about college backups who struggle, yet find their niche in the NFL? Why does a guy like Joe Flacco go to Deleware? A high school Qb spends alot of time deciding which offense he would fit into. Some coachs don't even look at players that don't fit their scheme. So to say Trent could have started anywhere is just plain stupid. Players develop at different rates and you have no idea how he would stack up against all his peers. Now go back to the corner, before you get spanked again.

I got ya VOR. I don't have a problem with your approach to these player arrests. Sometimes I just disagree with your view of the incident. The full truth, will never be known to any of us anyway. Even though we disagree on these matters, I find your football posts to be great. We share alot of the same point of views in regards to the team. Go Bills

Ice Cube in the 3rd?

ain't that the truth!

Now thats a well thought out response VOR. Do you have a ridiculous defense planned out in case the Bills draft him? Something like, no one actually saw Pettigrew hit that cop so we know it didn't happen. Then you repeat it 1000 times as if it will magically have any value each time. For the record I have said repeatedly on many threads that I don't think Lynch or Whitner are thugs. I dont think Pettigrew is either. I find it's much easier to accept the mistakes of young people and take it in stride. Mistakes come with the territory and we have all made them. Some of these guys need to grow up in a hurry, though. You on the otherhand, are the parent who goes rushing into school screaming at everyone before even hearing a story. The constant homer, who denies everything and comes up with bizarre scenarios of cop corruption. To you a Bill can do no wrong. Anyone who thinks a guy might have screwed up is a hater or a bad fan. It's easier for you to deny all wrong doing and bury your head in the sand. This is a flaw. Relax buddy, these players are going to screw up again.

It sounds worse than it was, IMO. I got no problem giving the kid the benefit of the doubt. All other reports have been extremely positive about his character and he deserves a second chance. I don't think he is a troublemaker.

I think you are correct in the cost effectiveness of just paying these guys off. The problem is that its become more frequent and its become a cash grab. After this latest iincident, the chances of a real tragedy are possible. I would think they are now being forced into new strategies.

The Saints are vastly overrated. They put up lots of passing numbers and thats about it. They can't run the ball. They can't play defense. Their coaching staff made as many, if not more mistakes than ours last year. This is definately a game we can win this season, especially at home. I also don't see us losing to the Dolphins twice this year. Jacksonville will improve some this year, IMO. Tennesse will regress a little. We have the ability to beat both of those teams. The Titans are really going to miss Haynesworth. When he was hurt for a stretch two years ago, they struggled badly.

I agree Nick. At some point, these companies are going to have to be responsible for themselves as well. They are on open waters and need to provide their own security, IMO. It gets way too sticky when we start to think about nations getting involved with naval escorts. Now if a hostile situation occurs, have a response plan in order and use whatever assets available.

I agree with you dib. Throw a couple of .50 cals and mk-19s on each ship. Handle these situations like the military handles vehicle born IEDs. If a speeding boat is clearly headed in your direction, sound an alarm/signal. If the boat continues to come at you, fire warning shots. If they still want to come you, open up on them. Is it really hard to imagine terrorist groups looking at this pirate situation, and seeing an easy score? This should be an eye opener to some of these companies. Ransoms aren't that bad with all things considered, IMO.

Bring it up often, my friend. You are flat out wrong and it's an easy argument.

I agree with my good friend and defense attorney, VOR. I like the idea of moving him inside, especially on passing downs. He could kind of fill the role of what we thought Spencer Johnson was going to be. Spell DEs on probable run plays and bounce inside on probable pass situations. Just breaking your balls, VOR.

Why are you so out of touch? Trent Edwards would have had a better chance of beating out Tom Brady than Chad Henne. THE COLLEGE GAME IS DIFFERENT THAN THE NFL. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS? West Virginia and Florida are big time programs, how do you think Edwards would fair? How about Boston College? Would he have had his highschool rankings in hand, when battling Matt Ryan? What about LSU? You think he would have started four years with Jamarcus Russell there? Can you say he would have beat out Brian Brohm in Louisville? No you can't. Your high school player ranking don't mean anything, other than he looked good in highschool. Players mature at different rates. Coachs like different players for different reasons. THE GAME IS DIFFERENT. The fact that you don't realize the difference between college success and NFL success is classic. Sprinkle in your highschool research and you make the all-time classic list. I can't understand how any of these college greats bust in the NFL and HOFs get drafted late? The NFL just doesn't go as far back in research as you, I guess.

Oh Magox, you are still dealing in the what if department, huh? Simple Terms: 1. Quinn- you already admitted to the hype, probably ruling out Edwards. 2. Leak- I'm sorry if you don't like it, but Urban Myers would never go into a season with Edwards as a starter. I'm not saying Leak or even Tebow are better Qbs than Edwards. I'm just saying Edwards is not mobile and would look terrible in that system. FWIW, so would many great Qbs. 3. Henne- Chad Henne holds the Michigan record for yards, tds, and completions. He is one of the best Qbs in the teams history and one of the most popular. It's a stretch to think Edwards would have waltzed in and been more successful than Henne. You deal in alot of assumptions and potential talk, when Edwards comes up. He also has the second most tds in the history of the Big Ten. 4. Ainge- Edwards is a better Qb and I think would have been the starter. Why is this so hard for you? I think he is way better than Leak. I think he is way better than Ainge. I think he is probably better than Henne. I don't know what to expect out of Quinn. The college game is way different, you know that. Why was Tom Brady so up and down in college? I think you also know that High School rankings aren't worth as much as the paper they are written on. They are similar to draft magazines and Mel Kiper. It is not proof that Edwards could have walked onto any campus and demanded a starting job. Be honest with yourself Magox. He wasn't going to start at alot of big time programs.

Hilarious. Thanks Numark!

You can throw away your high school rankings Magox. Your absolutely crazy if you think Edwards beats out Quinn at Notre Dame. Brady Quinn owned that school and has been the golden boy since, no chance. Trent Edwards is a better Qb than Leak but doesn't come close to fitting the Florida Qb criteria. They spread it out and rely on Qb mobility, sorry but again no chance for Edwards. As far as Henne goes, only you could make an argument. Henne had a decent career at Michigan and was loved by his teammates and coaching staff. Henne holds the school record for yards, Tds, and completions. He is second all-time in the conference for Tds. I'll say Trent sits there too. So like I said, I think Trent only beats out Ainge. Unless, maybe you have some pertinent pop warner stats I haven't seen. Where was Edwards ranked nationally in junior high?

I've got no problem with taking Pettigrew at #11. In fact he's one of the 4 or 5 guys in the draft I think can make an immediate difference. I don't understand how everyone is in such a panic about the o-line but can't get on board with a great blocking TE. He is the closest thing to a guarantee in this draft. With the next six picks you go nothing but linemen and one LB.

Great post. I think Ainge is the only one he beats out on that list. He would have had even more struggles on Tenn., IMO.

Sounds like a steal. The paper thin hoodies are $80.

This guy could fill the Vrabel role in NE, I bet you he is being looked at by the Patsies.

I'll take this as your white flag. Your response offers nothing more than bad putdowns and critique of my grammar. Thanks for submitting so easily.

... or he doesn't play and you never know who he is.

Actually, you are extremely ignorant. You sound like a privledged azzclown. Since, when does having a college degree make you a better canidate to be a police officer? Nobody has said that cops and military are smarter or have better morals than the average citizen. Your the only one implying that they are at a different level. In fact you claim these people aren't the "best and the brightest". Wake up moron. Every society has the haves and the have nots. If your a have not and can't go to what you call a top university it doesn't make you any stupider than the guy that can. I know plenty of idiots who have college degrees. I know plenty of bad people who have college degrees. Get over yourself. Obviously you must be making the big bucks, or think you will someday, but most police departments pay well above the average income. If you work overtime and move up in the department, you will be pulling in over 100 K a year. I guess by Colin's silver spoon measures thats chump change. Only scumbags who have no other outs, would be forced into that position. What about the cops who have degrees? You only count the ones from your "top universities"? What percentage of society gets to go to top universities? I guess that means at least 90% percent of society have a better chance of being "not the brightest or the best". Then you sprinkle in the gem, about not speaking the native language. Is intelligence measured by the language you speak? Is your work ethic and morals downgraded because somebody doesn't speak like Colin? Oh, right your not ignorant. You also agree that most people work bad jobs and are below the average in work ethic and effort. Most people are below the AVERAGE? Nice work college boy! Look, their are alot of intelligent, hardworking, and upstanding people who don't go to "top universities". Their are alot of good people who don't have degrees. Like I said before, your ignorant. The "top universities" are great schools, that are filled with mostly well to do students. This does not make them super citizens or better employees. Outside of what they have studied, of course. When you start getting into calling your average person stupid or lazy, you sound fairly egotistical. Why, even bring up your feelings on people who don't know other languages? I think theirs a little more to this story, than your opinion of cops. Now, run along back to the frat house, and get back to fellating the new pledges.