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What? I'm sure I read here that the coaching staff caused players to be hurt by not practicing outside, or was it the strength and conditioning coach? I've lost track as to who's to blame for this average amount of injuries.

I agree with everything you said but it's hard to take you serious. It wasn't that long ago you argued the Bills should bring in Mike Martz. They are the same person.

Another completely false statement. Aaron Rodgers is having a season equal too Manning's right now. It's amazing that some posters really believe that Manning, Brady, Brees, Mcnabb, and others all have invincible lines. That perfect wall that has allowed Brady to only be sacked 12 times this season, allowed Cassel to be pancaked 47 times last year. IT'S MAGIC!!!!!!

Blatantly false. Brett Favre has gone most of his career barely being touched. I guess he has only played behind good lines over the last 18 years. So many other good Qbs though out the years have all had the same solid protection year in and year out, right?

I think Brady has had enough success in this league to think that his body of work speaks louder than one superbowl game. Any QB can be rocked and any o-line can fall apart but the debate isn't based on a game here and there. Rothlisburger has been under intense pressure since day 1 of his career. The guy is incredibly strong and overcomes constant pressure with his intangibles. Tom Brady is not a nimble player but he knows how to help his blockers by reading a blitz and buying time by shuffling only a few feet. Mcnabb is the same way, these guys sidestep danger and set up their blockers like RB would. Kurt Warner and Peyton Manning don't even have to move that much. They have the ability to feel the exact moment when blocking is about to breakdown. The ball is immediately jettison and downfield before a defender can get a fingernail on them. It's not even close most of the time. Joe Flacco, Matt Ryan, and Phillip Rivers are making plays because they are able to avoid pressure while looking downfield. Aaron Rodgers despite what some have stated incorrectly is having a fantastic season despite being put behind an ALL-time horrible line. The guy is taking his fair share of sacks but you don't have his stats without always having his sight downfield. The Pack have no defense, no o-line, no run game, no coaching staff, and Rodgers is having a very similar season to Peyton Manning. It's easy to just regurgitate the same old "trenches" argument but when you take the time to really examine the truth it mostly points to the QB. It's no miracle that Manning, Brady, Warner, Brees, and Mcnabb are always playing behind the best o-lines, despite injuries, rookies, and new blocking schemes. Why did our complete bust of a tackle Gandy protect Warner so well last season? The guy was a complete turnstile here, right? The Bills have had a very shaky o-line this season. The unit most certainly needs to be shored up this off season. In the NFL, the defensive pressure is always one step away. I don't care if you have your pick of any o-lineman you want, the defense is going to get through. To be successful a signal caller has to identify WHEN it is breaking down. This team hasn't had a guy who could do that since Kelly. Trent has been like the majority of our QBs. He either can't feel it and gets crushed, or he bails early and kills the play before it starts.

Chad Henne is a nice player.

Alright Dog, the QB doesn't literally change the individuals actual athletic ability. Is that your point? If you want to channel the discussion away from reality than that's fine. I know you understand what is being said and I know you get the point. To make it simple we need a QB that changes the outcome.

I guess that my whole point is the opposite of this. A good Qb does indeed make a line better. I already know how you feel about Trent, so I wasn't attempting to convince you otherwise. It's the second highlited statement that I disagree with. Some fans treat Trents situation like it was completely hopeless and that he had no shot. Ridiculous! The guy wasn't under complete duress every play you know. He produced equally bad when provided with ample time. It's just the excuses that rile me up. If it's not the coaching that ruined him, it's the o-line, or the concussion he is still recovering from. In my estimation the guy had some things working against him but he also had alot of chances. Just like JP, he doesn't have it. This futility at the Qb position and lack of coaching are the main reasons for our playoff absence over the years. Get a coach and Qb, and this team turns around instantly.

I hear ya Dog but you are missing the point or just avoiding it. The Point: Our TERRIBLE Qbs and coaching made our guys up front look worse than they are. Are they bad? Yes Does the team need tackles? Certainly Could this team have competed this year with a competent Qb and coach? Absolutely The wheels seem to be in motion, lets hope we get the QB and coach it takes to win.

You and others have made our offensive line situation the number one reason our offense is awful. This simply is not the case. After reading over and over that all QBs would fail behind this line, I thought I'd throw my two cents in. The number one problem this season has been coaching and QB play. The Bills have identified this and have made the proper moves, finally. This team can make plays on offense despite the line troubles but it needs to be upgraded for sure.

I can appreciate the value of a good o-line for a rookie QB. Ideally a rookie QB doesn't play. Let's face it though, **** happens and ideal situations are rare. A good QB makes it work in all situations. Rivers Manning (both of them) Brady Mcnabb Rothlisburger Brees Palmer Rodgers Favre Flacco Warner Ryan ..........they all make this team very competitive. Schaub Cutler Pennington Orton Romo Hasselback ......... they would all make this team better.

I understand your feelings towards our o-line. I agree that it is a major weakness right now. However, I don't understand how an intelligent poster like yourself can't envision how a guy like Manning protects himself. Is it your vested interest in providing Edwards with an excuse? This line is bad but not all-time bad. The NFL has about half a dozen guys who get it done with this line. I bet another half dozen are average to solid here.

The Colts o-line is good but Manning is great. How about the Pats stats? Brady 21 sacks in 2007 Cassel 47 sacks in 2008 Brady 12 sacks so far in 2009 A good QB makes intelligent reads on defenses and gets the ball out quickly. A great QB cuts down on the sacks and turnovers. Manning and Brady would have made a huge difference this year. DJ would have still hurt the team but not as blatantly. Now if you replace DJ with a competent coach and put Manning on this team? Look out my friend. We haven't seen good QB play in so long. I honestly believe some of us have forgotten how it looks.

RIP Stephanie

I wholeheartedly agree with that Dog. I was just commenting on the prospects of a Brady or Manning type QB failing to produce on this team.

I almost completely agree. I still firmly believe QB is at the top of the rung of importance. The lines are tied for a close second. A team should never pass up a chance to get a franchise QB. Ideally you would build from the lines out and have a great situation for QB to operate but as we have seen here for a decade, great QBs are tough to find. Can't miss an opportunity if it presents itself. With all that being said, I'm not in love with any of the QB prosepects coming out this year. I'm hoping we go OL, DL, or MLB first.

First off Aaron Rodgers is having a fantastic season despite his o-line. Aaron Rodgers has the fourth highest Qb rating behind Manning. He has also accounted for as many TDs as Manning with less interceptions. The Packers have problems everywhere including a horrid defense that has struggled with the 3-4. The o-line is extremely important to a team. I would never underestimate it's value. This line is bad Dog but a great QB can stop the bleeding.

I was in Tampa visiting family when Chucky got the axe. It was a celebration similar to ours this week. He was just absolutely hated by all. Even his character was attacked, which is more than DJ got. I think he has found a nice cushy and lucrative gig on MNF. He's good at it and would be crazy to let it go.

I can't believe how many times I've read posts stating that Manning or Brady couldn't get it done behind this o-line. I firmly believe that is inherently false. IMO, if you put Manning on the Bills, we are in contention for the playoffs still (provided DJ wasn't the coach). I'd be willing to bet he even puts up similar to better numbers here. I'm not discounting the problems this o-line has. The tackles are terrible and the unit is undisciplined. Top notch QBs can overcome these problems with superior skill sets, though. The type of skills our QBs most cetainly don't have. The best QBs in this league have incredible time clocks in their heads and they can feel pressure coming. Some of the best QBs in this league have dealt with lines as bad as ours and made it work. I see Rothlisburger do it all the time. My point is yes the line sucks but a better than average QB could have made it work this year. Tom Brady was sacked 21 times in 2007. Matt Cassel was sacked 47 times in 2008. Tom Brady has been sacked 12 times so far this year. Our QBs are more like Cassel.

Wow, even better.

You have 9 posts in this thread and your saying that the OP had no business starting it?

The Packers love Matt Flynn according to everything I've read. Brohm and Flynn had a really close battle for a roster spot and ultimately Flynn picked up the playbook a little faster. I heard on the radio that the Packers were on the verge of picking up Brohm to protect him and the Bills just got there first.

Bradford is about the same size as our first-round DE.

Brian Brohm is a good move by this team. We have complete trash at this position and the season is lost. The FO has fired the coach and is working on the futrure, should sound great to any Bills fan. Why complain? The mindset at One Bills Drive couldn't be more clear at this point.

As other posters have already pointed out, you can't start talking shop with possible replacements with Jauron still in place. When you have an INTERIM coach in place you can get the process going early and have a leg up on the other teams. The interviews and hirings aren't taking place until the offseason.