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Believe it or not, the link I provided there is a Dailykos/PPP poll that has Obama up 1 point over Romney that was taken less than 2 weeks ago.

How does one go through life being this stupid?

No he's not dipshit. Obama and Romney are virtually tied Not to mention that the last three polls have Walker up 5, 6 and 9 points.

I was sure that you were gonna link a John Deere

I haven't even paid for that, I pay $10 a month for some tire protection program and I've received at least 10 tires out of it over the past 9 years.

This weekend, the Wisconsin Journal which is their largest newspaper in the state, endorsed Walker. You should of seen the vitriol coming from the head of the Democratic Wisconsin party Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0512/76599_Page2.html#ixzz1vcxCLZlF

I lease, I never paid a dollar in my life for an oil change with BMW.

I said its fair game. Obviousy an issue like this riles up the left wingers like social issues do for the hard right. The question is how many down scale working class whites will buy into this. My guess is some, but on the otherhand, Obama risks alienating people who believe in capitalism. So it's going to be who wins the messaging war? Since Obama doesn't have much of a record to run on, he'll try to have this election focus on his campaigns distortions of Romney's record. Truth is, the totality of Bain Capital did create alot more jobs than were lost, and that doesn't even include all the jobs preserved because of their capital infusions that sustained those companies. Then of course there is the impact that it has done for investors, which include pension funds. Romney just needs to keep touting his job creations, business record and continue messaging things he'd do, such as the ad of the keystone pipeline, taxes and repealing and replacing Obama's signature legislation. He also needs to rip apart Obamas attack on Bain, it's not that hard to do, there are so many easy areas to attack. Such as the hypocrisy of Obama pandering to these Private equity investors for campaign funds, even the ex head of Bain that was the one who actually made the decision to close down the plant Then make strong argument of how Private equity is an important role in the American economy, not just for investors, but for the companies they invest in, and then tout that he was one of the best in the business. This shouldn't be that hard, so much low-hanging fruit to work with.

I read this three times, and I still don't know what you are trying to say.

Except they won't listen to your advice, because they did create lots of jobs. So too bad Delusional much?

Well, round 1 didn't go as planned. But he made it quite clear yesterday, that in his words, this will be the issue of the election. Of course, the issue of this election will be a referendum on his lousy stewardship of this economy, but he will go after Romney's record, and the calculations they are making is if they can discredit enough of Romney's strong point, which is the economy and shave off a few independents, than that may be enough for him to win the elections. What Romney should do is not just dodge these haymaker punches, but counterpunch hard. In other words, use these attacks from Obama's campaign as further proof that "he just doesn't understand capitalism", and run with that, and run with it hard.

Over priced my ass. BMW's are very affordable, you don't have to be well off to afford one of their vehicles, plus their customer service is top of the line, no long waits to have your vehicle serviced, and they rarely break down.

I'm guessing you are one of the traditional "swing voters". Liberal on the social issues yet fiscally conservative. I happen to believe it is fair game as well, it is one of Romneys main arguments to why he is better equipped to create a more vibrant economy. My issue, which I don't blame them for trying, are the distortions and cherry picking of his experience. One could do the exact same thing, and interview a Delphi worker and have him come out and say "Obama made a deal to save Union workers in the auto industry, but he left me high and dry". It's silly, it's not representative of an accurate portrayal of the overall record. Obviously this line of attack is going to play well with 75% of the Democratic party, because the hard wingers from both sides of the aisle are a bunch of lemmings, so it riles them up. It will also play well with a segment of independents, because they simply don't know enough about Private equity and will buy into the "vulture capitalism" narrative. However, most swing voter indendents are fiscally conservative and they recognize that not everyone wins in capitalism, and they also don't place nearly as much stock into Obama's theme of this elecion, which is "fairness". Most swing voter independents to not share Obamas ideology of wealth distribution. So Romney will win the independent vote this November, the question is by how much. My guess is he will win it by 10% + which would hand him the elections. If he only wins it by 5%, and Obama gets a good turnout, then Obama wins.

So many different areas to pick this a part, apart from the fact that the ads are distortions of the truth. Where to begin, where to begin? First, the original ad was a closing of a plant that was going to bankrupt if Bain had never stepped in, so the fact that they invested and risked capital gave a lease of new life for an additional 9 years. So those misguided workers that were on those ads should be thanking Bain capital for giving them employment for an additional 9 years. Second, the closing of that plant occured in 2001, Romney left Bain capital in 1999, and to make things worse, the person in charge at Bain in 2001 is an Obama campaign money bundler Then there is this: My link Then there is this: So the message here is, Mitt Romney doesn't share the values that I do, which is we need more "fairness" (code word for wealth distribution) in our economic system, yet I'll happily take the money of those that don't share my views. Yeah, okey dokey. You guys happen to catch Bookers youtube video where he sorta walked back his comments? You know the one where the Obama administration edited the video to fit their narrative, the one where if you would of placed an AL Qaeda banner as a backdrop it would of been a perfect parallel to a forced statement of that of a hostage video. Ok, so Obamas campaign manager is caught lying. No big deal. Here is the hostage video btw, it rocks!

Sure sure, you keep telling yourself that.

I honestly try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt.

So this is what you've been reduced to? I understand when there is nothing more substantive to say that it can be tempting to indulge in mindless blather. But this takes the cake.

You're an idiot.

No, I will knock him because the environment he has created includes an overzealous EPA that has created tons of regulations at the expense of drilling and coal jobs. Also, I lost my job because of Dodd Frank and I know many others that have as well, and there are alot of businesses that arent creating jobs because of regulations. So yes, the president gets a failing mark in not creating a proper environment for job creation. And no, he was creating jobs and lots of them. You can keep saying that as many times that you like, it's not going to change the fact that they created thousands of jobs.

How did I not catch that? Only a liberal believes that the job of the president is to "create jobs" That right there just shows that NewBills is ill-equipped to discuss this topic with substance. The presidents job is not to create jobs, it is to create an enviroment that allows job creation to thrive.

Again, you miss the point. Obama use to be a community organizer and he used those skills to get where he is. I happen to believe that a CEO of a private equity firm fits perfectly for being the President. CEOs of private equity firms are "turn around guys", they recognize waste, areas of potential demand, then streamline them and then execute. And yes, the term "destroyed" means 1.Put an end to the existence of (something) by damaging or attacking it. 2.Completely ruin or spoil (something). Did Bain capital damage these companies? Did Bain capital ruin them? Nope, they were lost, thats the term, lost because the business model no longer work. So to answer your question, you spoke a mistruth by characterizing it as "destroyed". And the fact that you quoted this, just shows that you have a fundamental misunderstanding of how capitalism works. People don't create businesses so that they can create jobs, they create businesses so that they can profit. It is as a result of profits and growth that allows for job creation to occur. You should really quit while you are way behind, I have thoroughly debunked every point you made.

Yes, I am a finance guy, thats my field and I admire Bain capital, and it's not retardation, it's defending untruths from nitwits who have little to offer other than mistruths. Oh, and lets not forget you characterized it as "destroyed" jobs, by your own words, not mine, I guess that makes you a retard. So that's your response to my question. Then why did you even quote it? I mean there is only one president.

Oh yes, whiny as hell. And psss, it's not me bowing down, thats Obama. Oh and btw, Name me a business who's main goal is to create jobs.

Nevermind the fact that you have no idea what Private equity is about and that you are woefully misinformed when it comes to this subject, but relax, no need to get upset. He created lots of money and jobs and he's not gonna take your left wing advice and just ignore the thousands of jobs that were created under his superb management. It was because of his tremendous success that the Salt Lake City Olympics entrusted him to turn around what was about to be a national embarrassment riddled with inefficiences into a smoothly run event. Most people who don't have a political agenda and reside in the middle don't buy into your characterization of events, that stuff is for the loons. "I never thought of what I do for a living as job creation," And name me one business who's main goal is to create jobs? So again, relax bro, no need to get all whiny

No, it's not a miscalculation at all, the left would like for Romney to say that, but he won't and he shouldn't. There is nothing more that the left wants, which is to tear down and distort the truth, because they know that ROmney has them beat hands down, when it comes to understanding the economy. Fact is that they did create alot more jobs than were lost. And no, you're characterization of "destroyed" is a left-wing or political opponent one that has absolutely no truth to it whatsover. Bain capital invested in startups and businesses that were struggling, if it wasn't for private equity firms, we would have alot less businesses here in the US than we have today. The primary duty of any business is to produce a profit, I don't care if it's a mom and pop store, a multibillion dollar corporation or a private equity firm. It is through good sound business and profits where jobs are normally created and that's what Bain capital did. It created thousands and thousands of jobs through a superbly run outfit. So too bad, they won't listen to left wing advice of not touting his accomplishments, which was that they created tremendous wealth for their investors, themselves, pension funds and did create many jobs. Investing and risking your own capital is what drives this country, you win some and lose some, but that's the American way, And Romney personifies AMerican business excellence. Romney will win the independent vote, you can take that to the bank.