thurst44

This mock does and I would be ecstatic if these were the first two rounds! https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/two-round-2018-nfl-mock-draft-broncos-take-barkley-as-qbs-go-1-2-3-4-after-trade/

FWIW, someone (not sure if it was WGR or WFAN in New York, feel like it may have been Sal C. on the former) yesterday was hearing rumors that the Broncos, particularly Elway, like Rudolph better than most teams.

I know I'll catch fire for this, but having lived in NYC most of my life (family from Buffalo, went to college in Buffalo during SB years), can't help but feel the Jets might be eyeing Barkley. Probably not, but the Jets have a history of surprising picks; it's almost as if they live to hear their fans' groans on Draft Day. My logic is they know everyone will be expecting them to want a QB, so the move forces the Browns to use first pick on QB instead of Barkley, while enticing a team like the Bills, Broncos, or Cardinals to make a huge offer to the Giants, drawing them away from Barkley. Again, not saying it's likely, just that we don't truly know...especially when the Jets are involved.

But it hasn't happened yet, and is also likely to NOT happen. This is true!

Aw, man, I like him...and can't stand the Cowboys. Grrr.

Doesn't this completely validate the trade since Sammy got 16m for a 500-yard season (and not from the Rams). He wasn't going to have a better season here, and we got a cornerback who helped us go to the playoffs. We also got a 2nd round pick, but you conveniently leave that out to fit your narrative of freaking the bleep out. EJ hasn't walked in free agency yet, and if he does, we got a replacement already who is a two-time pro bowler for cheap. Yes, he's been injured, but so has EJ. Remind me how many career TDs Mahomes has. Zero? Ok. Let's call him a stud after he actually plays well. At least you're "fair" on this one (not sure why you omitted the other draft pick). Darby was also hurt much of the season and while he played well enough, he was hardly the reason they won. Oh, let me be fair about this ... the jury's still out on this one. The Chiefs who we beat last year and who got just as far as we did? Actually, I hated this move, too, but you can't win em all. This one, I'm not sure what your issue is. We have Kyle and Star at DL, so ????? I didn't love this one either, but I get the plan, a ton of cap space in 2019. I'd say you're more like parkay, you might be "on a roll" but that's not necessarily a positive. While I would have liked to try him at another position, we do have our new LT who played well so there is a logic, plus it puts us in a good position on draft day (despite anything the Jets may have done), and again removes a ton of cap space from 2019, which theoretically would make us free agency players while our new QB (we'll see how that goes) is going into his second season. You love the thought behind it? Ok, then you should be fine. Was he supposed to predict Wood's career-ending injury. Stuff happens. They got a WR you like. He's under contract next year. The injury was frustrating. So was the blown call on an amazing catch in the Pats game that might have changed the momentum of that game. Let's move on. Um, he's supposed to predict a WR who set a record for catches, was a four-year starter, and by all accounts was a stand-up kid all his life who raised money for charity and had zero prior red flags would suddenly freak out one day and try to kill himself? It's a bizarre event, but it's also bizarre to blame Beane for any of it. And, to your last point, in that same draft we got a guy who is already a top ten cornerback (and in a passing league isn't that pretty vital), our actual starting LT from last season, and a LB in the 5th round who had some spectacular plays last year (and a QB who looked mostly terrible and another LB who {shrug}). Yes, go Bills!!!

Ok, I'll bite. How exactly would anyone predict this?!?! He was a record setting wide out who by all accounts was a standup kid. Until recently, his interviews made him seem about as together as could be. Whatever this is, this just sounds immeasurably sad (either drugs or mental illness).

It's in Revelations, people!!!

And we forgot the silliest reason why this is a bad move for the Jets. The Jets have had their best recent picks when they are slotted at 6 (Adams, Leonard Smith)

Do you honestly know who will be and won't be a "franchise qb"? If you look at the top five QBs, practically no one has the same order even when just predicting. We've been going back and forth on Josh Allen, who is clearly moving up draft boards, and may be the reason the Jets moved up--and if he turns out to be what many of us (including me) think he is, and the Bills did want him, they might be saving us from ourselves. Look at the most comparable draft in 1983. The (arguably) best QB went off the board at 27, the second best was the top pick, and the third best was ours (and he's an afterthought in the 30 For 30 about that draft) and we had the 12 pick that year ... and took a tight end, and got our "franchise qb" at 14. I'll posit that worked out pretty well for us. And what team took Ken O'Brien when Dan Marino was on the board? The last time the Jets took a QB in the draft, I bust out laughing (which is unfortunate as Hackenberg comes across as an extremely likable individual), and that seems valid since here we are two years later, the Jets have just signed two established QBs, and we are still expecting them to draft a QB, so goodbye Hackenberg and Petty. That's also "common sense and history" We might end up not being able to trade and wind up with Lamar Jackson, and he could turn out to be better than many experts think. He certainly put up impressive numbers with his arm, incredible numbers with his feet, and is no slouch in the intangibles. Theoretically, there could be a run on the top four QBs, and it could drop someone like Vita Vea or Roquan Smith or Quentin Nelson to us and Jackson might still be there at 22 and we would still have four Day 2 picks in what's considered a great draft. The Jets move up might convince the Browns they have to take a QB, they take Darnold, the Giants take Barkley (I'm in Jersey a few miles from MetLife and Giants fans and experts do NOT think Giants are going QB, but again who really knows), the Jets are enamored with Allen, and the Browns, who we've already traded with this off-season, decide to get a couple more picks from us, and voila, Rosen is a Bill. Let's not forget the craziest, but not impossible, or even all that unlikely, scenario--that the Jets don't even want a QB. Yes, conventional wisdom (and maybe basic wisdom) dictates you trade up for a QB. However, the Jets are NOTORIOUS on draft day for, to put it generously, not being predictable. ESPN even put together this montage of groaners a few years ago, and while they have had some good picks, they have also added to the "highlight" reel. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZxNeFLuY98 (and, no, they are not drafting that Peter Pan dude) It's not ignorance to say "we don't know" when we genuinely don't know. And draft history tells us we truly do not know.

Considering the Jets' history of drafting QBs (somehow even waaay worse than ours--we mostly just don't pick them), I'm not overly concerned that we are "screwed" b/c of this move. There's still many, many scenarios where we draft an elite QB. If we don't move up and they pick a QB we don't want, they may have even inadvertently saved us a draft pick or two.

Your avatar would be ashamed of your sleuthing skills (sacre bleu!).

If so, I hope the Jets get him and "win" Allen and we get the "consolation prize" of Rosen, Darold, or Mayfield.

That's kind of the thing. Given the Jets looooong history of drafting the wrong QB, whoever it is that they want, that's a red flag that we should not take him.

Ha. Sal was adamant Beane told him the Bills weren't pursuing a UFA QB a few hours before we signed McCarron, so I'm not even convinced we're done with free agency and are "100% focused on the draft." That being said, he might NOT be certain he's going to move up--he strikes me as a "game theory"(-ish) type of guy who may wait to see how it all plays out or jump if a team wants to move back and makes HIM an offer. Who knows?

As to 13., would you also draft Vincent Adultman before Josh Allen

Lamar Jackson, apparently

Don't mean this in a mean way, but I'd suggest you take the advice of your screenname . While the initial frenzy may be done, there's still almost all of the free agency period left to go and many, many LB left, and as time goes by, the prices will go down. Go to any free agency tracker and look at the names. Somehow, I doubt Tanner Vallejo will be starting middle linebacker in Game 1.

Why would we get "priced out of the market"? Last I checked, with the trades of Tyrod and Cordy, Bills are actually in the top half of salary cap space, and Pegula is the 7th richest owner in the NFL. Beane may decide not to pay these initial prices (and that's probably smart), but we're nowhere near salary cap hell.

Me too, on both counts. It truly feels as if Beane/McDermott has a plan.

In that case, I'd much rather we try to work him at RT or RG this season (or work Dion Dawkins at RT). Between our run game and the likely potential of having a rookie QB, we should not be quick to move on from a player who, when healthy, is above average, and about whom many have speculated has some potential ability at other spots on the line, unless the assets acquired make it absolutely worth it (to me, that would be at least a 2nd rounder).

Is Gibran Hamdan not available. I miss the Chroise.

I'm pretty sure he meant to write Fitzgibbon

If the Bills don't get a QB in draft, it would likely mean they didn't trade up and there was a run on QBs, so it means they could get a bunch of great high draft picks at other positions to build on a team that already made the playoffs last year.

The cap hit is a difference of about 1.5-2m and they are well under the cap, so will probably not have that much impact in the scheme of things.