st pete gogolak

Precisely. That’s why I was curious if NFL commented on it.

If your goal is to win the Super Bowl, the question the owner has to answer is whether I think my current coach is good enough to win the Super Bowl. Nothing else should matter. It’s why I thought Marv should have been fired after the debacle that was the first Super Bowl loss to the Cowboys. Say what you will about Marv but it was crystal clear at that point that he was never winning a Super Bowl with that team. Instead, we fire the best GM in franchise history. Should McDermott be canned if we miss playoffs this season? No idea but I’d like to think Pegula is asking himself the question posed above, i. e. is McDermott a good enough coach to win a Super Bowl?

Not saying it determined outcome of game or Bills played well enough to win. Just curious if NFL said anything about the call.

Any explanation why flag for ineligible lineman downfield picked up? Do they have to give an explanation or is it too bad so sad?

Everybody’s way too serious. This thread was half-goof. The point was the fact that depth at OLB is close to nonexistent but with Miller healthy and AJE emerging, we have an over abundance of talent at DE. Just wish there was a way to get our best 11 players on the field at the same time.

Don’t disagree with most of the comments to the thread. Just throwing some “out of the box” thinking. One comment I do agree with is occasionally having him on the field with two DE’s. One I disagree with is that the majority of his career has been as a 4 - 3 DE. Didn’t Denver run a 3 - 4 for most of his time there?

Most of Von Miller’s career has been OLB in a 3 -4. I understand that OLB in a 3 - 4 is apples and oranges to an OLB in a 4 - 3, or a 4 - 2 - 5. Nevertheless, is it crazy to try a completely healthy (big if) Von Miller in Milano’s spot? It keeps Floyd, Groot and/or AJE on the field. I’m sure he would be fine against the run and most likely a liability in pass coverage. It would, however, be neat to move him around and put even more pressure on opposing QB, similar to how Dallas uses Parsons. I’m guessing the answer is maybe five years ago but not at 34 after two knee surgeries.

The 60 yard FG from Butker is more gasoline on the fire why thought process in 13 second game was so abysmal. KC gets to just inside midfield and KC has a chance to tie the game. Stupid, stupid, stupid.

If we draft Overshown, can we please, please, please have Keegan-Michael Key do player introductions at least one game!

Beane's strengths are drafting franchise QB's, mid-round WR's and DB's. His weaknesses are drafting DL, OL and RB. Do we really want him playing to his strengths?

Most folks disagreed when I posted that there needs to be a salary cap carve-out for QB's but here's more proof. Mind-numbing deals ($40 million for Daniel Jones?) shows that the system is totally out of whack. It's brutally unfair to RB's on top of other things, especially first round picks where the club retains a fifth year option. Look at Barkley. Franchise him for $10 million? No brainer.

If Carr signs with the Jets, maybe the dominos will fall into place for them.

KC OL should have been collectively Super Bowl MVP. Mahones was ok, especially gutting it out on an ankle that wasn't 100%, but I didn't see any spectacular throws or for that matter I didn't see any KC receivers with great catches (maybe the shoestring catch by Kelce). The OL gave Mahones a clean pocket pretty much all night long, against a DL which was supposed to be the second coming of the '85 Bears. Reddick was a non-factor, so was Hargroves. If you recall, our OL got destroyed in the AFCC game two weeks before KC's line got destroyed by Tampa Bay in the Super Bowl. KC's GM went out and got Thuney, Brown, Humprey and Smith in the same offseason, creating one of the two or three best OL's in the game. What did our GM do? It is so obvious that significant resources need to be put into the OL this offseason. Nothing else comes close in importance. I know a lot of posters keep talking about adding another top flight WR but look at KC. Basically a couple of JAG's at WR. Keep Diggs, Davis, Shakir, Knox and Morris together for another year. Davis is in a contract year. Sometimes that inspires good to great years (Edmunds had his best year in contract year). If Allen has the time to throw and a legitimate running attack that doesn't involve Allen being leading rusher two thirds of the games, we will be more than fine.

Assuming we don't do anything in FA because of cap issues other than resign Edmunds or sign Edmunds' replacement (would love to pry Bobby Wagner from the Rams to provide some vet leadership in the middle), would it make sense to draft Robinson if he is available? I don't follow college ball but if he is truly a top #5 or top #10 prospect, yes. An elite running back is something we haven't had since McCoy. Draft OL rounds #2 and #3 and live with the WR's you have (Diggs, Davis and Shakir), hope Spencer Brown is better. Not a foolproof plan but there isn't one of those out there.

No, it's an issue in search of a solution. You certainly don't want the NFL to devolve into the NHL where teams are openly tanking to obtain the next Gretzky, McDavid or Bedard. At least in the NHL you have a lottery to potentially prevent a successful tank (looking at you, Buffalo Sabres). Plus, recent Super Bowl history doesn't support your thesis. In the last ten years, there are maybe two QB's who won Super Bowls on rookie deals. Mahones winning over SF. KC is back this year when Mahones isn't on his rookie deal, so what does that prove? Maybe that if your QB HC and GM are good enough it doesn't matter if your QB is on his rookie deal. Wilson winning when Legion of Doom destroyed the Broncos. Yes, that fits. Otherwise, it's mostly Brady, Manning and Stafford at the tail end of their careers. The original point of the post is that there isn't any other sport with a salary cap or luxury tax where one position knocks the whole system totally out of whack other than QB in the NFL. The solution can't be tanking to hit on a franchise QB and then sign a bunch of free agents to win a Super Bowl on the QB's rookie deal. That's nuts.

Here's another comparison. While he was with the Pats, Brady had uniformly immaculate, great o-line play in front of him, allowing him to hold the ball sometimes seemingly forever. Josh with the Bills, not so much.

Wasn't the Monday after this Super Bowl that Wilson fired Polian? If that is correct, it has to be right up there with the darkest day in Bills' history. Levy shouldn't have been safe after that debacle. He should have been canned. I think the question the owner always has to have in mind with his or her head coach is - will he win us a Super Bowl (same question with the GM)? If the answer is "no", that person shouldn't be your head coach any longer. After that Super Bowl, it was clear Levy would never lead us to a Super Bowl victory. I think that is a fair question to ask of McDermott and Beane at this point - will they win us a Super Bowl? If you are convinced that the answer is no, it is time to look in a differnet drection. Not saying that time has arrvied but we're getting closer.

Agree. Beane seems to have a knack picking WR's and DB's but not OL or RB. Here's a partial list of backs picked after Cook who had superior rookie seasons: Brian Robinson (3); Dameon Pierce (4); Tyler Allegeier (5); and Pacheco (7).

Pacheo >>>>>Cook. I don't follow college ball but how in the world did this guy last until the 7th round? If we had drafted him, there wouldn't be any issue regarding running back going into next season. He's fast, powerful and breaks tackles. Wake me up when Cook breaks a tackle.

That's just the point. Is that system a fair system? What if in the NHL goalies made four times what any other player made? You could field a good team with a crap goalie or a great goalie with a crap team. Who would want a system like that?

Full disclosure. I've been a Bills fan since 1965 so I'm obviously biased about this because if it somehow came to pass it would benefit the Bills enormously. That said, QB compensation in the NFL and how it distorts the salary cap is, if not unfair, frankly bizarre and unlike any other sport that maintains a salary cap. That's because QB compensation is so dramatically higher than any other position. That's not true in basketball or hockey. Yes, you pay your superstars but McDavid isn't making double or triple every single one of his teammates. You're punished for selecting a QB who turns into a franchise QB. That's if you do it right. Heaven help you if you pay a QB that lands you in cap purgatory (Prescott, Cousins) or, even worse, one that lands you in cap hell (Wilson). A carve out probably lets the Raiders keep Carr. I don't know what the solution is but you shouldn't have to gut your team because you found your franchise quarterback.

Now do their 2021 and 2022 drafts.

In 2020, the Eagles desperately needed WR help. First round pick was Jalen Reagor. Very next pick was Justin Jefferson. Reagor is no longer with the Eagles. Jefferson is one of the best two or three WR in the league. Maybe the best. Yet, Eagles are in NFC Championship a couple of years later. Beane's been far from perfect and we all know the list trading Wyatt Teller, picking Ford over Metcalf and A.J. Brown, Basham instead of Humphrey, Bernard instead of Parham, hell even Oliver instead of Simmons. Some of that is hindsight, some of it is not. Point is, none of those "mistakes" are fatal. This is, however, an enormously consequential off-season for Beane and the team. He needs to make rebuild of the offensive line number one priority (same as KC did after Super Bowl loss to Tampa Bay), establish a legitimate running game that doesn't depend on Allen, somehow introduce flexibility into a defense that has grown way too stale and hope we can avoid serious injuries. Not saying it will happen but there is certainly hope that he can fix what is obviously broken.

I was going to post something along these lines but in the affirmative - Sabres win the Cup before Bills win the Super Bowl. Bills broke my heart this year. Really thought this was the year. But looking at the Sabres, you can see a championship team in embryo. Superstars (Dahlin, Thompson), potential superstars (Cozens, Power), potential supporting stars (Quinn, Petreka), role players (Tuch, Skinner, Mule, Olafsson). It seems strange that a team that hasn't made the playoffs since 2011 may win a championship before a team that has made the playoffs four years in a row (including an appearance in the AFC Championship game) but Sabres are going to be primed for a run in another year or two. Tons of cap space, loaded with prospects and draft choices. Plus their needs are fairly obvious and not that difficult to fill - some grit and muscle up front and at least another veteran physical defenseman. Of course, the wild card is goalie. UPL? Levi? Bring a vet in? Nothing is guaranteed of course. Tampa Bay had a group of superstars and the best goalie in the world and they didn't win the Cup until they adde some grit up front and some muscle on the backend. The Bills season is still a mystery to me. Crush defending Super Bowl champs on the road, crush Titans, lost the flukiest of fluke games at Miami, beat a good Ravens team on the road (remember the narrative we couldn't win close games), crush Steelers, solid win at Kansas City, bye and cruising past Green Bay at the half in what looks like another beat down. At that point they were clearly the best team in the league (maybe argument from the Eagles). Then the second half of the GB game and the rest of the season. Not a single game did they look dominant or like a Super Bowl winner. What was their most complete game post- Green Bay? Road win at New England? I'm in agreement with almost every poster here on what do to going forward. Fix the offensive line. Number one priority. I thought Spencer Brown would be Pro Bowl caliber going into his third season. Uh, wrong. I can't believe how badly he played this year. Can you move him inside to guard? I don't even think we need receivers or running backs if we legitimately fix the OL. Davis will be in contract year. Shakir will start. If Allen has time and a running game, we'll be fine. On defense, Frazier has to go. Bend but don't break isn't going to win a championship. Remember the St. Louis Rams "Greatest Show on Turf". Their defense was all that great (quick, name a defensive player from that team other than London Fletcher) but it was designed to compliment the offense. The Rams offense took a lead and the other team was forced to play catch up. Rams D pressed looking for turnovers. If it got beat deep, so be it. Just got the ball back into their offense's hands quicker. That's the route we need to take. Aggressive D that takes chances - exactly opposite of Frazier's D. Cap isn't insurmountable but it's a difficult road for the Bills. I'll take the Sabres winning the Cup in 2025 - 2026.

This game reminded me a lot of the Minnesota game. There were legitimately a dozen plays you could point to in both games where if the Bills made the play offensively or defensively, you could mark in your notebook "game over" (nod to Greg Easterbrook). Minnesota game was much worse but this was similar - the Knox almost touchdown, the Shakir almost catch, etc. etc. It was maddening.