Ramblin' Rob

This is the longest thread I have ever started, so thanks for participating. This has turned out pretty much how I thought it would for my first question, and how I hoped it would for the second. Vick has always been on better TEAMS than Fitz who was on two teams in turmoil, and a third that is moving from turmoil to respectability so pointing to wins and losses is a bit unfair. This is a make or break season for Fitz, if he does not have a better rating, and td to int ratio, i will be in favor of drafting, signing or trading for a QB of the future. I think he will be great this year, but who knows. I still don't understand hate for the guy, or name calling of any sort. Saying he is a proven loser is a stretch. Calling him Fitzgarbage is asinine. The weather in buffalo is rough, the economic situation is even rougher and the attitude of the negative nancies is the roughest. The number one thing I don't miss is the negative know it alls. I am proud of our fan base for it's dedication through rough stretches, but could not be any more embarrassed than when I am out at a bar in RVA and hearing our fans call our player names. Peeps call Spiller a bum cause he cant get on the field for FJ. Luckily Every one down here likes Fitz so I dont have to listen to that non-sense. I will end with this, Last year the Eagles easily had the better roster and they won one more game than the bills. I will take fitz every day, and twice on sunday.

I have forgiven him, and those who haven't I feel are petty. Sure what he did was bad, but he has gone above and beyond any NFL sanctioned requirements to make good. The answer to the beard question.....Me! I grow the better beard.

This question is inspired by a debate in another thread. I say Fitz, but acknowledge Vick has slightly better numbers.

No hate, I actually think he has been a mostly model citizen since getting out of prison. I also said, over rated, not bad. He is ok, but the next big game he wins will be his second. I will give you the rushing records, but what passing records? He has only topped 3000 yards twice in his career, and that also equals the number of Playoff wins he has. It also is the number of times he as had a passer rating over 90. Comparing brady and vick is wierd too, brady is tons better. Additionally I consider there to be about five truly upper echelon QB'S, Brees, Brady, P. Manning, Rothlisburger, and eli or maybe rivers. I say, and the numbers back it up, when healthy, fitz is in the next tier some where between 6 or 7 and 15 right where Vick is. it is up to you to define what Upper echelon means. To be clear, I dont think Fitz is as good as those guys listed above, but neither is Vick You are misinformed if you think Broken ribs would not affect a QB'S throws. all of the injured lineman and WR's also will make a QB look a bit pedestrian as well. He was a top ten QB last year before all of those injuries on offense happened in the span of about 3-4 games. When he lost his protection (o=line), security blanket(FJ), and the health of his recievers(even stevie played on a bum groin) he had much worse numbers. And yeah, i get the fact that every team deals with injuries, but not that many and most organizations have better depth at those positions. TO SUMMERIZE; vick is over rated, not bad(again, please provide any passing records). Fitz is under rated, not great. If forced to rate them against each other, i would rank vick higher. Injuries on a team with a lack of depth is more harmful than injuries on say NE OR NYG. A final note, I don't get grown men calling people names like 'Fitzgarbage.' Win or lose, he has been great for Buffalo, grow up or at least use a little imagination.

Funny answer with some one who has maybe the most over rated QB in history as their avatar. As for my answer to the question, yes. All of the injuries including Fitz's broken ribs happened around the same time, and it was a clear drop off. IF most every one stays healthy, there is no indication to say he cannot be a QB in the 6-12 range which isn't really the top echelon, but still is upper.

BOOOOOOOO!!!! Tough life you must have if you B word about this....hate to be your dog after a bad day at work. He came from baseball, and has done yeomans work as a fish out of water. He was a marketing guy who got thrust into a GM's (marve was not really in charge of anything.)role, and has gained the trust of Ralph enough to begin to turn things around. It began with buddy's hiring and continues. If you want to look at w/l's sure, no improvement. If you look at talent on the field, you are blind to not have optimism for the first time in a decade. SO to you I say, 'Get your hair cut, mullets are ridiculous an it will help you to have a better perspective!'

No, but a healthy K. Williams, and the addition of M. Williams, M. Anderson, and the stache might have. Also, Sapp sucks. Injuries killed the O last year, and having an amateur DC and no DL did not help either. Add health, and a top flight DC should make a huge difference.

this is my mea culpa. I have a personal vendetta against Sapp, and hate to hear him talk about anything. He has portrayed himself as an a-hole. See the hit on clifton and the ensuing challenge he layed down to a sixty year old who dared call him out on the dirty hit. I probably should have left the Bills out of it all together. I just hate hearing national media types use the same recycled lines about the bills. Also, who dosn't love this bills d-line? And last year when he was high on us in the first few weeks, (which i seem to remember him correctly predicting we would be the team to fail to keep the mojo) our d was terrible. Any way, I made others mad today to cor calling the bellicheat thread stupid. will go back in my hole. Also, I will concede to not knowing what I am talking about in this instance, but to me there is too much of a good thing. 365 days a year of football news and 17 live Sports Centers a day are two of them. imho.

I will tell you why, because it is frustrating to click on a thread where allegedly some sort of legitimate content only to see people crying about nothing. Looks like I am not the only one who feels this way either. I don't hate the topic either, just thought it was making a mountain out of, well, nothing. Also, I will turn it around on you, Why do people comment on post they don't agree with? At any rate, I was feeling particularly frisky this morning and prolly should have just not looked at this board.

Nope. One thing this team is is mature and focused. Even with Stevies occasional non-sense, he is accountable. The work horses on both lines and an improving, Harvard educated QB. If the Bills stay healthy, they will make a strong push in the AFCE.

Anything involving Sapp is not worth watching, only Smerlas on weei and nesn is a more biased buffoon. And no, it's not cause they hate on the bills, it is because they are lazy and rehash the stereotypical 'Buffalo sucks' crap...makes me glad i don't have NFLN.

This is a stretch. hope this tread dies.

isn't his name Shank-00hhh as in oh lala?

Some one should mention Travis Henery. There, I just did.

Booo! His beard is epic.

Pooj! heard a rumor that you lived in the rva, is this true? if so, where do you watch the game? or are you one of those fancy sunday ticket guys? sorry for so many questions, but your avatar has forced me to ask.

So I will resist the urge to tell you to go out and close the garage, and start the car and instead ask you a simple question; Why take a sniper shot at our QB? Even if you are right(you are not)Why take this shot on a thread that has nothing to do with him? I took the semester off of tbd because of peeps like you. Peeps who refuse to let facts get in the way of their opinion. Fact: Buddy and Chan are not responsible for the failures of the first decade of this millennium. Fiction: same old..... anything, see above fact. Fact:When the line, the wr's and most importantly the QB were all healthy, the Bills were very competitive with a crappy D-line in 2011. Fiction: we were worse than under Jauron because our record was not as good. Any one with eyeballs knows we have a better team now. Go watch foxnews if you want to indulge in make believe and negativity.

Got to be a troll. VY has some mental health issues, not bad guy issues.

Only saw one picture...meh, over rated.

I call shenanigans. Please post a video of you running a 40 under 4.8...or 6.8 for that matter.

Extreme views are unhealthy, and there are very few reasonable fans on this site...me included this past summer...i was blinded by sunny optimism and many here are bitter and negative. This board is a reflection of the direction we are headed as a country....crazy right eventually gets balanced by crazy left and those of us that are moderates or reasonable are forced to choose what we consider to be a lesser evil. I just read a post that cited Atlanta as a reason not to be patient with a rebuild, and high lighted their tumultuous 07 season, and how the hiring of a GM and coach made it all better. All i can say, is if we hired mike smith instead of dj 6 years ago, peeps on this board would have screamed bloody murder, and ralph is cheap and all the rest. I am off to get a life....hope you all do too.

1- Bill Maher is an equal opportunity offender, he hates all religion and rips on muslims too, so sally jenkins can do a bit of research before her next blog. 2- Christians are tolerant of other religions? That is laughable.Maybe the ones you know, but christians hate everyone. Gays, people who dont agree with them and especially other religions. I know not every christian hates, but the vocal ones do. 3- Everyone needs to chill the funk out on tebow. Not every attack on him is because he is a christian, it is because he is the most over rated QB since vick. the next qb with unique abilities(ie- not a drop back passer) to not get figured out by NFL defenses will be the first. Tebow will either improve or fall by the wayside. I personally have not heard one sports caster, and i listen to a lot of sports talk, say one negative thing about his religion,but people like to pretend he is being persecuted. Basically if you fall on either side of the tebow religion debate, you suck at life and are searching for ****, cause there is almost nothing there except a good kid who happens to believe in a story that was passed down for 45 generations before it was ever written down.

I was wrong. I thought they would sell out because they would be 9-5 not 5-9.

Well of course a guy who chooses to be known as 'cantankerous' would not care if we had a jerk on the team. He was involved in a hit and run, and pulled a 'do you know i am' while stealing money from a woman in a bar. Again, if you were one of those guys who was upset that we traded a guy who gave far less than his best here. Again, he had no 100 yard games for three years before his current hot streak.

I think Marshawn is the most fun running back to watch, and he has also had an incredible 2 months. He has five 100 yard games this year. his previous 4 years? 6, his last one being in '08. So yeah, the Bills are stupid for trading an under performing player. Freddie was better from day one, and the reason it took him three years to unseat Lynch was he was a first round pick and Freddie was not. He was given every opportunity to succeed here and he was not good enough, and he was also a jerk. Any one who says NOW that the Bills were stupid for trading him is delusional. Thank you captin hindsight. lets say that Marshawn was never traded therefore never got the wake up call he apparently needed, then what would you say today? another first round bust by the bills.