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I know McShay probably loved tearing into the Bills, but his point about McKelvin is misleading. He makes it seem as if Leodis wasn't the starter b/c of performance when he was really just injured. Before the injury McKelvin was emerging as an explosive ST player and his defense was definitely solid. I expect McKelvin to have a great year this year.

Who's talking about the ACC? Please spare me on the heralded careers of Frye, Batch, Gradkowski, Nate Davis, and Leftwich. And again, you're reacting as if said it was a major factor. It's just a consideration, much like anything else about a player. No reason to go insane over it dude. Talk about an inferiority complex...

Out of those QBs you listed, one has had a great career so far (Ben), and two others have had solid careers (Culpepper/Chad)..the rest are pretty much garbage. To be fair however, the Big 12 is NOTORIOUS for not producing good NFL QBs.

this would be a dream. i'd prefer him over wilfork

+100

Your assumptions are silly. So Ralph doesn't trust Nix or Chan? Why do you think he hired them then? I'm sure the coaching staff would love Jim Kelly making personnel decision for them. You're off your rocker.

You give me Tom Brady, i'll give you Mike Williams. Thanks.

No, teams that draft well pick stars in day two. I'll take a sure thing for three years over your imaginary 10 yr. OT...who could just as easily be drafted at 24 anyway.

On the other hand, I did watch A LOT of Pike in college and I'd pass on him. I'd rather go with Brohm over drafting Pike.

Possibly. Unfortunatly I only watched him play 1 game in college..so I really can't make a quality argument here. I'll def. be excited to follow him through the combine and into the draft.

I agree with your overall point. Rather than just simply looking at a single year and saying, "so many QBs in the league were drafted in the 3rd round or later," a much better alternative would be to see how many starting QBs in the league with a certain amount of starts (lets say more than 40 (2.5 seasons roughly)) were drafted after the 3rd round. This to me would eliminate most of the crap QBs that are in the league...or do a method somewhere along those lines. In 2008 Edwards was the starter for the Bills..would anyone really want to use him as proof that you can draft a successful QB in the 3rd round or later? Simply looking at a single year doesn't tell us anything really. (imo)

what the poster is basically saying is that you can get a successful QB who played at Akron or Appalachian State and plug him in at Texas or USC and he'll automatically be successful b/c of the cast around him. Maybe. But not necessarily so. I'm just saying that it's silly to make such statements, b/c not only can it not be proven, but there's just so many factors that go into play that make the exercise pointless.

i don't have the value chart in front of my face, and I'm lazy to google it, but to move up that hight, you're going to have to give up our 1st, 2nd, and 3rd..AT LEAST. NO. THANKS.

Perhaps he would've performed, or may he wouldn't have. neither your or I know, so don't go making claims you can't prove. Stick with his stats, and don't degrade bradford, McCooy, Tebow, or anyone else b/c they had a "supporting cast." Unlike the MAC conference, when you play againt the elite teams in the country, you need a supporting cast.

I must admit that I've only watched Lefevour in one game, so my opinion of him is still open. Though based on what I've read on three or four sites, I probably would want him in the 3rd..if that. http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/559484 Accuracy: Runs a spread with a lot of four and five-receiver sets. High completion percentage reflects the offense's quick, short passes, but generally puts the ball where he wants to when set in the pocket. Good timing with initial receivers on stop routes. Puts the ball to the outside shoulder on sideline patterns and end zone fades. Accuracy drops when on the run, however; usually throws high or wide, even when square to the line. Must improve his ability to hit receivers on the numbers and leading them on crossing routes. Arm Strength: Lean quarterback with very average arm strength. Floats deep balls down the sideline and over the middle. Steps into most throws but still does not put a lot of zip on passes over 10-12 yards. Deep outs are wobbly, late and inaccurate. Setup/Release: Sets his feet after receiving the snap and usually throws from a balanced position. Adjusts well to poor snaps in any direction. Will get happy feet if his offensive line is leaky - but is tough enough to stand and deliver in the face of pressure. Resets his feet when possible if on the move within or out of the pocket. Fair quickness on his release. Sometimes tries to unload too soon, getting even less than on the ball than on his normal passes. Reading Defenses: Throws from the shotgun almost exclusively and typically throws quickly to his primary read, which won't happen at the next level. Must learn how to read from the line and adjust while dropping back. Looks to sideline for pre-snap adjustments. Looks off the safeties, but not often enough. Will make poor decisions if not going to his first target - throwing late over the middle or forcing a ball into tight coverage. On the Move: Fair mobility within the pocket, keeps his eyes downfield and will move around to find a passing lane. Accuracy and spiral is lacking when moving to his left, especially when he cannot reset his feet. Shows the awareness to dump off the ball under pressure. Tough former running back with some elusiveness and vision who will get first downs and more if unchecked. Uses his height to lunge for first downs. Puts ball in outside hand. Will tuck and run too quickly at times. Intangibles: Four-year starter who helped the Chippewas become a bowl-worthy program. Well-respected in the locker room. Academic All-American for Region IV in 2008. NFL Comparison: Charlie Frye, Raiders

My post was referring to Bradford, not Brohm.

Because we have the 9th pick in the draft. You really want to draft the 3rd or 4th best OT (not player) with the ninth pick in the draft? That's not reaching, that's called setting your franchise back 5 years. If you really want Cambpell, you trade down. If you can't trade down, then you simply draft another player. At the end of the day, Campbell is probably not much better than Fox from Miami who was team captain of the Canes and started 3 years at LT and helped turn that program around. There's plenty of OTs in this draft without having to reach for one with our top 10 selection

I would vomit in my mouth if we drafted Cambell at 9. The only pick that is somewhat respectable is Wooten..but not even that really.

I completely agree man. Only one thing though, I would qualify your "whatever it takes"...if they wanted our 1st round pick for McNabb, I don't think I'd pull the trigger dude. Swapping first rounders yes. A second and maybe another pick this season or next season, yes. I'd pretty much give up anything other than our first rounder straight up.

I'd HAPPILY give up our 2nd round pick and maybe a 3rd or 4th round pick teh following year for McNabb. Also, as another poster noted, I'd happily swap 1st round picks with the Eagles for McNabb.

swapping first rounders with the Eagles would be equivalent to trading down with them and getting a 2nd back in return. I'd easily give up the Eagles 2nd rounder for McNabb.

The OP said to SWAP first round picks, not flat out give up our 1st rounder for McNabb unlike so many on this thread keep on yapping about. I like the idea and would be all for it. This is a win now league and McNabb alone would give us 2-3 more wins instantly w/o any other moves. He has at least 3 more productive seasons, imo. With the Eagles pick in the 1st you could still draft an OT or a NT like Dan Williams. I like it theman.

Fair enough. To be honest, I thought twice about making the MAC comment. It's not fair, really. I'm not sure how much consideration I'd give it if I was analyzing a player. Probably keep it in the back of my mind though, that's all.

Clausen does have grit/fire though..which, if channeled properly, can defintely be an asset at the next level.