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well said.

I don't agree with your point regarding Peters. I can't think of 1 game this season where the LT gave up 3-4 sacks and cost us the game. Other than the Dolphins game where the lack of a true backup center really cost us, I can't really pin any single loss on the O-line this season..especially on the LT position. If anything, what player would not be on the roster right now as a result of having to make space to sign Peters at LT? I really like Peters, but we didn't win when he was here either. LT was not the problem this year..we need more depth on the O-line, that's for sure..but I actually like the way our O-line played this season. And again, with the style of offense that chan runs, it's truly a waste of cap space to sign a stud LT. (IMHO)

as long as chan gailey is coaching this team, there's no point in drafting OL anywhere in the first or second rounds...a spread offense, 5 WR set, does not require a team to have a premier tackle. we need a deep threat at WR and we need another great pass catching TE to go with Chandler...I want our offense to look like the Pats. tell fitzy to grow his hair out and start dating a super model.

isn't OSI an UFA after this season??? I know he has some previous injury concerns and is 30..but the guy gets 10 sacks on an off year. I would LOVE to have him on the bills, especially if we're going to be transitioning mostly to a 4-3.

i actually don't think we have that many holes either. it's really pretty simple in my opinion. depending on the defensive scheme, we definitely need either a DE or an OLB...we need another threat at WR...we need another CB. Above all, what this team NEEDS is overall depth. I actually think our starters (more so on offense), if healthy, are pretty good and our record early in the season reinforces that belief. What this team does not have is overall depth. So we need to add a few key pieces at the positions listed above while increasing the overall depth at positions on the OL, LB, and/or DL.

Ya, Sanu is a stud. If he played for a premier program he would certainly go in the first round. There's a good chance he may slip into the 2nd round and could be around when we pick in the 2nd. thanks carolina bill..i'll definitely be following ingram throughout the combine.

I agree. The only thing that may prevent this from happening is if Luck pulls an Eli and says that he will not sign with the Colts. If I'm Luck, I do not want to go to Indy. Luck is kinda screwed either way if he goes to Indy: 1. If manning is healthy, Luck is going to be sitting on the bench for the next 3 years at least. Nobody with Luck's skills/talent wants to do that. Ya, rodgers did it, but rodgers slid on draft day and GB worked on Rodgers release/footwork over those years when he was on the sidelines. 2. If manning isn't healthy and Luck becomes the man pretty quickly, who wants to be the one that follows Manning? The shoes that Luck will have to step into and fill, can't be filled. Ya, young followed Montana and did well. Manning is arguably the greatest QB of all time though. Ideally, Luck will land somewhere where he can be the starter from day 1 and won't be compared to the greatest QB of all time on a weekly basis. So again, if I'm luck, I pull an Eli and tell the colts, don't bother drafting me b/c I won't sign!

I don't understand the logic in this post on all accounts. 1. why would peyton manning go to the same city where his brother plays? ya, they would rarely play one another, but it really seems unnecessary b/c the giants and jets DO have a rivalry despite barely playing one another, so it would automatically bring unnecessary stress to the family...especially considering peyton is ending his career...the mannings know that Eli has it pretty good right now in NY, and peyton coming here would only overshadow Eli...unnecessary stress/rivalry imo. 2. why would peyton manning want to play in the same division as Tom Brady? it's cute playing once a year in a non-divisional game, but why would you want to face him at least 2x's every year? 3. why would peyton manning want to play for a cold weather team to finish his career? As for the Bills reactions to peyton manning..that makes no sense whatsoever. We already have Tom Brady in our division..what exactly would the bills be reacting to? At best, Manning would probably have 3 solid/great years left...why would the bills trade away 5 picks to move up 9 spots in order to counteract 3 years of manning? If we're going to trade away our entire draft to move up and get RGIII or Luck, then we're doing it b/c it's the best move for the franchise and not in reaction to another team's FA signing and/or trade. Peyton Manning will never go to the Jets and the Jets would never be able to afford to add on that contract anyway.

what are your thoughts on Melvin Ingram? I've only seen him play maybe 3-4 times..quite impressive in about 2 of those games. Would he be worth a 10? that's my fear as well. if we transition to the 4-3 this team is well off at DT, but seriously lacking at DE. Isn't Umenyiora a FA this season?? If we transition to the 4-3, I would throw insane money at him despite his injury concerns. he's 30 years old and should still have 3-4 productive years left. any chance we get Osi???..lol

WR is a need for sure, imo. So I would not be opposed to drafting a WR at 10 if the talent is there...if not, I would focus on picking the best defensive player available. Regardless what we do, I still want us to bring Stevie back next season. Despite his stupidity, he's still a very good player that can be a part of the ultimate solution in buffalo

i could care less about 40 times with respect to LBs/DE's..i'm more interested in their 10yd splits and explosiveness...when i watch Upshaw play, i see explosiveness. i'd like to see hiim run the 40 though and see what his 10 yd split time is

with respect to our O-line...does anyone feel we need to make a selection with either our 1st or 2nd pick, or should we just concentrate on increasing depth. I tend to lean on the idea of just adding depth (rounds 3-6/FA), as the O-line played pretty well this year when all of the starters were in there. Jonathan Martin, LT from Stanford is pretty enticing though..

i think the pick that would make the most sense righ now would be Upshaw as I feel he's the best pass rushing LB in this draft...which is exactly what we need. Dareus and Upshaw - roll tide!

I agree. OLB 1st pick; and WR 2nd pick. Great game yesterday..it's amazing how different the team looks when teh defense actually plays well and doesn't give up a TD on every single drive in the 1st half. Go bills! PS: Lindell, please get better fast!

You're a complete TOOOOOOL...the players I compared him to are THE SAME !@#$ING PLAYERS YOU COMPARED HIM TO IN YOUR POST..MY LORD, drink some Clorox Bleach and put an end to your stupidity.

Good question. The new QBR rating attempts to address this. Fitzpatrick currently ranks 12th in the league with a QBR rating of 58.7. He's ahead of notable QB's like Philip Rivers, Vick, Flacco, Newton, Stafford, Freeman, Dalton, Smith, Sanchez. I say "notable" b/c of course, on these message boards, all of those above mentioned QB's are "worlds" better than Fitz. So while 12th in the league isn't "outstanding," it's certainly above average. Add that QBR ranking to the stats I listed above, and you have yourself GOOD production from the QB position. Solution: Fix the Defense, Add to the offense; add overall depth. Result: playoffs.

OK, so is it about TD then? You know..that minor detail that is required in order to actually WIN a football game? 25 games, 43 td's..more TD's than Matt Ryan, Philip Rivers, Big Ben, Schaub, Sanchez, Flacco, Freeman...all of the QB's minus Rivers and Schaub were in the playoffs last year. Here's a clue: There are other parts to a team aside from the QB; try addressing it from that angle for a while.

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LMAO. This is great news for this defense next season.

yay! another Fitz "can't cut it thread"..since all of these threads deal with the same mind-numbing hyperbole, i'll just do the same and keep posting the response I made in another thread: 25 games started for the Bills: 856 attempts; 43td's; 60% completion percentage; 5,837yds; 83qb rating last 25 games started for following QB's: Eli Manning: 879 attempts; 49td's; 62% completion %; 6897yds; approx 90qb rating Big Ben (*last 24 games): 797 attempts; 36td's; 62% completion ; 6,446yds; 95 qb rating Matt Ryan: 760 attempts; 33td's; approx 61% completion; 5,464yds; approx 88qb rating Mark Sanchez: 833 attempts; 30td's; approx 55% completion; 5,419yds; approx 77qb rating Matt Schaub: 849 attempts; 38td's; approx 62% completion; 6,742yds; approx 94qb rating Joe Flacco: 815 attempts; 34td's; approx 58% completion; 5,853 yds; ; approx 86 qb rating Josh Freeman: 857 attempts; 35td's; approx 61% completion; 5,984 yds; approx 86 qb rating Rivers: 867 attempts; 42td's; approx 64% completion; 7,128yds; approx 94qb rating Do you guys want me to continue? because it's truly pointless to do so. Aside from the ELITE QB'S (BREES/RODGERS/MANNING)which is pointless to even compare, Fitzpatrick last 25 starts with the Buffalo Bills, stack up against ANY OF THE QB'S you fools wish we had/assume are better. For fools, the grass is always greener. So PLEASE, do me and the rest of us a favor and analyze those numbers above; analyze them, digest them and for once and for all, STFU. GO FITZ! newera, i respect your opinion, but in all due respect, the "eye ball test"? come on, how subjective can you get? it's real easy to always covet other players b/c when they mess up it's not YOUR team, so it's a lot easier to simply forget about that and then just focus on the good. when one of our players misses the mark, you're much more likely to dwell on that and then simply disregard the good. it's really quite simple. AGain, considering everything around him, Fitz has been WELL above average for us since last year. Continue adding talent..give us a premier #1 WR..give us a very good O-line..BUILD around fitz..he's already shown that he can win some tough games with limited talent...keep adding to the talent! As for the defense..that's another story...

You're a lost cause. "average," based on what? Stats? We already listed them for you, and the STATS clearly indicate that he's producing at rate that is WELL above average. Furthermore, why don't you go back to the games he played last season and include those stats with this year's stats, to give you an even greater body of work to play with. But you won't do that of course b/c you're a blind fool, so I'll do it for you: 25 games started for the Bills: 856 attempts; 43td's; 60% completion percentage; 5,837yds; 83qb rating last 25 games started for following QB's: Eli Manning: 879 attempts; 49td's; 62% completion %; 6897yds; approx 90qb rating Big Ben (*last 24 games): 797 attempts; 36td's; 62% completion ; 6,446yds; 95 qb rating Matt Ryan: 760 attempts; 33td's; approx 61% completion; 5,464yds; approx 88qb rating Mark Sanchez: 833 attempts; 30td's; approx 55% completion; 5,419yds; approx 77qb rating Matt Schaub: 849 attempts; 38td's; approx 62% completion; 6,742yds; approx 94qb rating Joe Flacco: 815 attempts; 34td's; approx 58% completion; 5,853 yds; ; approx 86 qb rating Josh Freeman: 857 attempts; 35td's; approx 61% completion; 5,984 yds; approx 86 qb rating Rivers: 867 attempts; 42td's; approx 64% completion; 7,128yds; approx 94qb rating Do you guys want me to continue? because it's truly pointless to do so. Aside from the ELITE QB'S (BREES/RODGERS/MANNING)which is pointless to even compare, Fitzpatrick last 25 starts with the Buffalo Bills, stack up against ANY OF THE QB'S you fools wish we had/assume are better. For fools, the grass is always greener. So PLEASE, do me and the rest of us a favor and analyze those numbers above; analyze them, digest them and for once and for all, STFU. GO FITZ!

How about, Stevie, Nelson, Chandler have been our top receivers because they're the only ones who have remained HEALTHY? They're our leading receivers by default, not necessarily by choice. Regarding your Rivers argument..what EXACTLY are we arguing here, i want to make sure we're crystal clear, because if i use stats to point out that Fitz is having, statistically speaking, a "good" year this year, people complain that it's "not about stats"...but then, using the grass is greeener syndrome, the same people use Rivers "stats" to show how "good" he did last season.."why can't Fitz throw for so many yards!?" but at the same time, due to the grass is greener syndrome, fail to point out that Rivers did not make the playoffs last season out of the afc West for crying out loud. point that stat out. Fitz is on pace to be in the top 10 in every statistically significant category for a QB in this league. End of story. So ya, Rivers put up great stats last year w/o much around him, if you want to argue that, and those stats at the end of the day got him and SD nowhere..but Rivers is outstanding regardless. Fitz is having a very good season statistically speaking, with not much at all around him, and like Rivers, Fitz and the Bills will end up nowhere...but of course, Fitz sucks. Right.

how else do you want to grade him? on wins and losses? sure that would be great, unfortunately there are a crap load of elements that play into that equation that Fitz has nothing to do with. let your friends laugh all they want..do you actually watch other games? do you realize how many bad throws are made by QB's all over the league week in week out? the difference is that other TEAMS ARE BETTER than our TEAM and individual players' occassional mistakes can be overcome. for christs sake, Fitz throws for 200+ yds, 3 tds vs. the Jets and hits a wide open Stevie at the very end that may have sealed the deal..and what are 80% of the b*tch complaints on this board about after the game? why couldn't fitz hit stevie in the numbers on the second throw in the end zone while he was rolling out and throwing on the run..that's what people were bitching about...not that the defense COLLAPSED again and gave up the go-ahead TD...not that Fitz hit Brad Smith in the hands in the end zone on the last drive, but B. Smith couldn't reel it in..sure that was a tough catch for smith, but so was Fitzs throw on the run across his body to stevie in the end zone..no bitching for smith not being able to brign the ball in though. vs. ten, why couldn't Fitz drive 85 yds in 1 minute with 0 TO's?..it's insane. At the end of the day, it's simple: fans suffer from "grass is greener" syndrome. All other players in the league are better than our players..all college QB's are always potential hall of famers...and other teams fans "laugh" at our players..it's comical, but expected. I live in the NYC area and year in year out I have to hear how much Eli Manning sucks and is not an "elite" QB. It's comical, it really is. So ya, it's not a surprise that a buffalo bills messageboard has people bitching and moaning about Fitz. So what's your alternative? Tell me what you would like to do at QB in the off season so we can prevent your friends from teasing you about Fitz next season.

Where we'll be picking, I think Courtney Upshaw would be a HUGE (and much needed) addition to this team if he's available. I really like RG3, but I don't even think he'll come out this year...but if he does, I don't think he'll drop to the teens, where we'll be picking. If he comes out, RG3 will light it up in the combine and he'll go pretty high (top 5)..especially on the heels of Cam's success this year.

all 1st ballot HOF's..so let me get this straight, what you're actually arguing then is: An NFL team can only win a super bowl if you have a Hall of Fame QB underneath center. Why don't you just save whatever is left of your pathetic life as an invalid, and stop watching the Bills, b/c what you're seeking at QB - a HOF QB - is most likely not going to be coming around here any time soon. You just don't seem to get it..your mind is so empty that all you can focus on week in week out is Fitz and how he's not Aaron Rodgers or Tom Brady. NO ****. Move on. If your goal is simply to pursue the next HOF QB, then you're going to be chasing your tail like a fool. Realize that we have someone who is, statistically speaking, actually GOOD at QB and DOES HAVE intagibles, whether you want to admit it or not, and insteand of being FIXATED on replacing him with Aaron Rodgers 2.0, how about we simply KEEP ADDING TO THE TALENT AROUND HIM..WHICH IS NOT MUCH. It must suck to be you right now b/c Fitz isn't going anywhere anytime soon. Deal with it.