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Whats the point in arguing about it. Hes the starting QB of the Bills. DEAL WITH IT.

Expecting Spiller to dominate running it up Woods butt much the same way Fred does doesnt address the premise that NH is misusing Spiller. And by misusing i dont mean spiller should never run it up the middle - he should and he NEEDS to do a better job. But when that is the ONLY thing we see spiller doing in this offense it falls on Hackett. Not seeing spiller targeted frequently on screens or put in motion to line up at WR is a waste of a threat. You have an elite talent touch the ball a total of 6 times in a game thats embarrassingly bad.

No words.

That's a meaningless stat. The offense was better with EJ. Orton is a bum. He throws the ball downfield too much. I don't like his mustache.

lmao, awesome.

I do too. If you look at his career trajectory he's played really well when given the opportunity to start on a weekly basis. The guy had awesome numbers in Denver and the only reason he left was b/c of the Tebow disaster. Then in Dallas he was behind Romo so nobody expected him to start there. His years in Denver were almost exact replicas of Flacco's seasons (stats wise). Yes, that was a few years ago, but it's not like he's crashed and failed since, he was simply backing up a really good QB in Romo.

I had us going 8-8 prior to the season starting and at this point I had us at 2-4 with losses vs. Bears, Chargers, Lions, & Pats. I had us going into bye at 3-5. So if we're able to go into bye at 4-4 or at 5-3 that'd be awesome IMO.

lol. ok. that's right, EJ beat the world by himself. Him and his 19.8 QBR, barely breaking 200yds passing per game.

We're 3-3 not 0-6. I would reserve judgment about screwing the pooch. I don't care if we make the playoffs as a wild card and lose by 40 in the Wild Card game - this franchise needs to get into the playofss in any way shape or fashion. Orton right now gives this team the best chance to do that, thanks to the FO. I personally don't care about next season.

NH has had 0 good years. In large part due to Spiller's ineffectiveness? Come on man.

where do these two clowns expect a DB to target Gronk when Gronk is twice their size? Unreal.

I agree.

Hackett not utilizing Spiller/FJ like the thread states is about Hackett not knowing how to maximize the most out of what he's got at the NFL level: We're 25th in yds/game We're 26th in pts/game We're 22nd in rushing yds/game That's p*ss poor so far.

I can tell you that what Spiller has achieved in the NFL is a heck of a lot more than what NH has achieved. Why should anyone be giving NH the benefit of the doubt? Did he have a revolutionary offense at Syracuse like Kelly had? No. This guy brings nothing new to the table. So I'm not going to get all over Spiller the way I will over NH. That's my viewpoint. That's all.

I think we all watched the game man. The strip sack is what it is. That ball is going to be fumbled 9 times out of 10. Not much Orton could've done there except maybe get rid of the ball sooner, but it's not like he was standing in the pocket for 8 seconds either. The INT was the only CLEAR mistake Orton made and that was in the Pats territory and not our side of the field. The defense could've stopped them too.

The also converted very punt/kick off we gave to them in the 2nd half into a score. The line should be simple: Bills Defense fails to stop Brady and the Pats.

Big Cat, this isn't just about CJ. It's about the entire offense. CJ is just a symptom of the main problem.

The solution (IMO) isn't to run sweeps all the time much the same way we shouldn't be running it between the guards all the time. It's not just CJ either, the running game as a whole is struggling a bit due to the O-line play. We haven't been able to consistently run the ball in an effective manner as in years past. My point is, however, that we simply DON'T run sweeps at all. I've watched every single snap this season so far and I'll be damned if I recall a sweep play in 6 games. (please correct me if I'm wrong) So we run very few (if any) sweeps. Very few draw plays. Very few screens. CJ is not targeted in the passing game (which should be a strength - you don't think he can block? Put him in motion and line him up at WR then. But wait, we rarely put players in motion either.) We run very few misdirection plays. These are all things that just come to my head and don't require an offensive guru to realize. I wondered whether the offense was bland b/c EJ was young, but with Orton in there through 2 games, the plays are still just as bland. This offense lacks creativity. It lacks complexity. It makes it easy on defenses.

Great post. NH call a sweep? That's blasphemy.

LOL. I agree. That's like arguing Orton gave them points everytime the Bills punted in the 2nd half. After the offense got the bills within one score late in the 4th, we gave them points too b/c we had to kick the ball off back to them. Heaven forbid we stop a 3rd and 16.

Under NH I rarely ever see any players go in motion. I see the same standard run formation sets - which of course we end up running out of 90% of the time. CJ is never lined up at WR. CJ is not a part of the passing game. We call very few screen passes - which should be an asset due to Fred and CJ's skills. We call very few misdirection plays. That being said about NH - it appears that this offensive line has regressed during Marrone's tenure. Very disheartening.

This was a typical Bills vs. Pats game: We move the ball OK vs. the pats but we just can't keep up with Brady gashing us for nearly 400yds/4TD's.

I agree. Bridgewater looked awesome against the Falcons but the Falcons are proving their D is as bad as the Cowboys D was last season. It was a completely different story vs. the Lions D. Our DL is on par with the Lions and I'm hoping for the same struggles from Teddy this week.

I agree with this. But its time to move on is all i can say. 3-3 with 2 winnable games coming up. Stay positive

Fact is i was GIDDY on that 3rd and 16 bc i was pretty damn confident that when we got the ball back Orton would drive us for the tie. But that never happened for reasons that are obvious to most except the 10% that no matter how we lose will always put the blame right on the QB. Its like the dallas fans ripping on Romo every year when the D would give up 40pts/game