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It's going to be a tough task, but we're going to have to run the ball somehow. We can't just have Orton go back to pass 40 times. He'll get sacked another 6 times w/ a fumble probably vs. the Jets. Lets hope that the Jets somehow overlook our run game now w/o CJ/FJ and go in more confident then they should.

EJ is 1-4 in games where the Bills don't rush for 100yds. Let the Bills rush for 200yds w/ Orton at QB (like they did many times last season) and then lets compare. It's simple: Orton is going to get sacked more b/c he throws more - especially with a horrible O-line. Even with those sacks, this is the most effective passing attack we've had in a long, long time. It's unfortunate that we now can't run the ball.

Look at the bright side: We're due for a game where we don't have 4 turnovers. We lead the league in Sacks. Are tied for 1st in rush defense (3.2 ypc). Keys to the game vs. the Jets. Stop their run. Pressure Geno. We do both REALLY REALLY WELL. NFL leading well. Orton > Geno. Close game though b/c of our O-line, no CJ/FJ, and it's a rivalry game. 17-13 Bills.

Exactly - same mentality though. They have extra time to think about their 1-6 record. ( i couldn't find the stat for their record after a thursday night game)

EJ season QBR: 19.

Fun fact: The Jets have only won once after a Bye during the Rex Ryan era. BRING IT.

Good post. Further: Something else that is critically important to not overlook: Orton gives a chance to win without an effective running game. Against the Vikings we had a rushing total of 118yds (of which almost half came on a single run by spiller – 53yds). Not consistently effective. Win. Against the Pats we had 68yds total rushing – pathetic. We were within 1 score of the Pats late in the 4th quarter. Loss. Against the Lions we had 49yds total rushing – pathetic. Win. With EJ: Against the Texans we had 96 total rushing yards. Not effective. Loss. Against the Chargers we had 87 total rushing yards. Not effective. Loss. Against the Dolphins we had 113 total rushing yards. Not awesome b/c CJ had a big run this game too for 47yds so we weren’t consistently running the ball well. Win Against the Bears we had 193 rushing yards. Good day rushing. Win Going back to last year, in games where EJ played and we didn’t run for 100yds: Bills/Steelers – Loss (destroyed) Bills/Jets – Win Bills/Bucs – Loss (destroyed) And then there were games where we rushed for almost 200yds and STILL lost (like against the Falcons). So based on my observation: EJ is 1-4 in games where we don’t rush for at least 100yds. In limited play, Orton is 1-1. Obviously a very limited sample for Orton, but something to keep an eye on going forward. What I can say is this: Orton is not getting HALF the running help Bills QB’s got last season. It was disheartening going back over the games last season b/c there were 4-5 games where we rushed near or OVER 200yds in a game. God we were so good at running and now look at us.

you may be right but I don't recall Pears being this bad when he played RT. He was average at best, but he wasn't a liability. LG and RT are a liability. And Pears at RG is a liability.

I hear what you're saying man, but no way do you move a proven player (Glenn) to accommodate an unproven rookie who is underperforming, too late in the game for that IMO. If he wants to experiment with that maybe do it next year during training camp. The fix is simple: Pears - RT; Urbik - LG; Hairston RG. It can't possibly be any worse - only one way to go and that's up.

I agree man. For the life of me I don't understand how Marrone can be so quick to pull EJ (which i'm 100% in agreement with) but at the same time refuses to pull the two rookies from the OL. It's not like we have other young guys backing them up - we have experienced NFL players who may be no more than average OL in the NFL, but they're definitely not as bad as these two guys. They're the #1 liability on this team - BY FAR. The move to make is clear Marrone - make it. Glenn / Urbik / Wood / Hairston / Pears should be the Oline. Or if he's dead set on Pears at RG, then just keep him there and put Hairston at RT..but man do SOMETHING.

Really sucks losing CJ and especially FJ but at least we have some depth. Lets see what he can do:

There are a lot of angry/depressed people in the world i suppose.

Exactly. The only thing that kept the Vikings in the game were the turnovers, especially in the red zone. It's not like the Vikings out-played us and you were demoralized b/c of it. We kept them in the game with our own mistakes. Simple as that. Other years we lose this game by +10 points.

I agree. I'm sure a lot of people also lose $$ betting spreads or get screwed in their pick 'em pools. There is absolutely no explanation for the level of anger some posters have after the team WINS and is currently at 4-3.

AMAZING how much hate people have towards players and/or the team in general after a WIN. Makes you wonder how much $$$ people lose each week placing bets they can't afford.

Really bummed out about spiller. Hopefully FJ can make it back shortly after the bye but spiller has to be done for season. Lets see what Brown can do

Excellent post. Every week is 100% different. You get a win playing like crap thats a bonus. You think the pats are looking back at that Oakland game now? Theyre laughing it off. Fair point. But lets be real, if we didnt carry the extra kicker, the other player we'd carry wouldnt be another RB so the point is moot.

How many RB's do you want to carry?

+1

He totally watched the game. CJ and Jackson carried us to this win.

A realist to what? You expect a 3-42 victory? 4-3. Thats reality in my world. Maybe in your "real" world we're 3-4.

I was against this last week. Im all for this now. This is hands down the worst offensive line ive seen in 10yrs on the bills.

We were losing ugly? Wasnt it 10-7 when spiller got injured? Down 3 points in 1st half is losing ugly now. Losing the heart and soul of your offense (freddy)is bad but then to lose your 2nd rb after he just ripped a 60yd run is crippling. Add on to that the fact that dixon was a liability in the second half pass protecting bc the guy was simply winded bc hes the only RB left. Yeah, brush all that aside.

So many penalties man geeze

Perfect play