bobobonators

yes.

I understand that, but man this team looks horrible. last year was not an outlier apparently - this team is spiraling out of control.

Me too. Don't be surprised if the line moves even more as the week goes on. I can see a lot of people thinking the Jets will win this game. A lot of people outside of Buffalo see FJ and CJ as the face of the bills (and rightfully so, especially with FJ). I can see the line moving to us getting 5 points or so.

You think Mike Smith gets fired this season? I think this is the year. I'm calling it now: Rex Ryan will coach the Falcons next season.

When you lose both starting RB's, Vegas isn't going to make you a 7 point favorite against anyone. We're 4-3 w/them, so Vegas is probably questioning what we'll be without them. Plus it's a road divisional game (home team usually gets 3 points anyway). I don't understand why people are surprised about the line. Jets also just came off of a last minute loss vs. teh Pats when they were 10pts dogs and were in it until the last minute vs. Denver when they were 9.5pt dogs. They've played well last 2 weeks...but again, they've ultimately failed. This spread is strictly a result of us losing BOTH FJ and CJ and us facing a Jets D in THEIR house. Makes sense, IMO.

lol. Well they also played the Lions and Bears - two teams that we beat but they lost. What I meant is that they've already played their really tough stretch of the schedule and failed. That doesn't mean they're as bad as a 1-6 team who played 3-4 games vs. the NFC South. If BOTH CJ and FJ didn't get injured I'm confident we'd be favored this game. Not by much, but we'd probably be giving 2 to 3 points. In the end who cares what the spread is really.

Exactly, and add on to that the fact we lost CJ and FJ. The Jets have lost a lot of games late and have played their tough part of the schedule so far playing the Chargers, Packers, Broncos and Pats. So yeah they're 1-6.

Panthers: 3-3 Saints: 2-4 Falcons: 2-5 Bucs: 1-5 Defense pts/game rankings: Bucs: 32nd (last) Falcons: 30th Panthers: 29th Saints: 28th Will we have another 7-9 division winner?

LMFAO "facts". Not he played well enough for us to be 2-1. No, he played bad enough for us to be 0-3. LMFAO. Your entire post continues to be about "stealing"/ how "bad" the opponents have been / how "bad" Orton has been. Tell me, how do you feel after a loss? I would not want to be around you. To sum up your mindset: We were 2-2 under EJ but we were really 4-0 and we're now 0-3 with Orton. got it.

Criticizing is one thing, living in an imaginary world where we're 0-3 under Orton is another. If you can't see just how warped your entire post was, then there's nothing more to say. Again, carry on.

I agree. Our O-line also needs to improve pass protecting. We need both. Yesterday's fumble i 100% blame Orton. The strip sack from the blind side is 50/50 man. 9 times out of 10 a QB loses that ball on a strip sack like that. Glenn got beat bad. I guess Orton could've gotten rid of it sooner..

I love how you criticize the board, but then post that jaded, one-side argument. Just look at the bold. It's trash. You're as much a part of the problem as those you seem to critique. Carry on though.

Stats are on your side, OP: #1 in Sacks tied for #1 in rushing ypc against (3.2). BEASTLY

So FJ will miss at least 3 games (bc of Bye). Could've been worse. We should have FJ back for the really tough stretch. At best FJ will be back for the 2nd Jets game, Week 12. But it looks like he'll definitely be back for the Broncos/Packers weeks 14/15. Great news.

LMAO. 1. I thought we should've kept Fitz as starter 1 more season w/ EJ. 2. I wanted DaRick too. 3. I wanted Geno Smith over EJ in the draft.

Awesome. Stats are there. Eyeball test is there. He's 31 not 41. He's led a team to the playoffs in the past. Argument is over as far as I'm concerned.

And when he gets his team in the red zone and his WR's don't fumble: we score TD's. Someone remind me what his red zone stats are again?

What are you even arguing at this point bro? What do announcers have anything to do with this - in your warped mind you said EJ played tougher defenses. Facts prove otherwise. Detroit is best defense we've played so far, and the Vikings and Pats are both better defensively than Miami/Chicago (pts/game). So EJ played San Diego which is ranked #3 - and we saw what happened. Your post was factually incorrect. It was based on opinions (yours) and those opinions were factually wrong - much the same way your opinions on Orton are wrong.

Yeah i remember that play. The broadcasters were actually calling it before the play happened b/c Dixon was just huffing away with his hands on his hips. Hard to blame the guy b/c he's just not used to getting that work load. He probably couldn't even see straight at that point.

Yeah man, lets hope for good things. He has a 4.6 career ypc. I'm actually pretty excited to see what he and Dixon can do as a duo. Dixon was effective yesterday in spurts but he clearly was winded as the game went on.

Not sure what world you live in but Pats and Vikings are both top 15 defenses (pts/game) and are both ranked higher than Miami and Chicago according to NFL.com. Keep living in your warped fantasy land though. Oh yea - and detroit is #2 Defense Pts/game. Best defense we've gone up against this season.

I don't think the run games struggles are Orton's fault. The run game was struggling under EJ too. The run game's struggles fall on this crap O-line. In 2 games under EJ this year we didn't reach 100yds rushing. That only happened a handful of times all of last season. We haven't rushed for 100yds in 3 games this season. Pitiful for this team and that's on the O-line.

yeah i'm actually pretty excited to see Bryce Brown play. From what i've seen (couple of games on the Eagles) he looks like a slightly slower Spiller but possibly with better vision.

I personally like EJ a lot and want him to succeed. I'll root my ASS off for EJ if (when) he goes in there again. But facts are facts: our passing game is much much better with Orton. We just need to get our run game going to balance things out.

With the Eagles he had some huge games. The potential is there. Unfortunately (I could be wrong) he may have a fumbling problem - not sure where I read that. Correct me if i'm wrong.