bobobonators

Well said. Thats the main problem imo. Its almost like we want to prove that we can impose our will on an opponent (forcing the run va an elite run d or forcing the pass vs an elite pass team) but of course we cant.

This team is really close to being a 10 win team. We need to be smarter and limit mistakes. We need to learn how to put teams away and finish.

A qb had the red contacts on too this week. Anyone remember who that QB was?

Hahaha. Awesome.

"We want EJ back!"

He lays low in the weeds during wins and comes out full force during losses - you know, like your 7yr old kid does. Hopefully he'll be quiet as a mouse again after the bills beat the dolphins Thursday.

I'm getting tired of the Mike Williams situation.

is the impersonator holding a menu in his hands?

my feelings exactly.

The stat goes back to LAST YEAR. Orton accounts for 5 games out of the 24 for Christ's sake. Obviously Orton hasn't done his job in the red zone the last 2 games but he did his job in the red zone the first couple of games. You want to blame Orton for last season too? Go for it - it would be on par with your other ridiculous comments.

Aside from the fumble, positive from this game was Brown's involvement in the passing game.

There are several bonehead plays mckelvin has committed over his career in buffalo. Hes a good player overall but certainly not great - too many negatives in his game. Despite the fumble, hes had a good year.

Ouch. Thats a problem indeed. How much of it is the players and how much is the system/plays called in red zone?

I make a killer PB & J.

How does a QB have 10 TD's and 3 Int's and not have a single "good" game? Go pound sand bro. If I'm accused of making "excuses" for Orton then my lord what the heck are you doing by essentially saying he should be 1-4? Go have a drink.

I STILL say Cleveland won't be there at year's end. AFTER we beat Miami, neither will they. So that's 2 less teams.

It was almost reminiscent of the Pats 3rd and 16.

I'm in the same boat. Unless this team completely collapses... But if we finish 9-7 and miss the playoffs it'll be hard to get too upset considering it'll be the first winning record in how many years? That being said, we just really need to play smarter and eliminate critical turnovers/penalties.

I hear ya man. But it's not going to happen every single week with Orton or any other QB not named Rodgers, Manning, Brady. There will be plenty of teams in the playoffs this year who have QB's who have absolute crap games from their QB's. Today was not a crap day from Orton, so I'll save my ripping on Orton until he has one of those games. You know, those games like Cam Newton had last week vs. New Orleans or like Andy Dalton had this week vs. Cleveland. Or like Philip Rivers had vs. Miami last week. Those kind of games. This is not one of those.

LMAO. I've been down on Hackett since last year but I don't feel today was his worst showing. Orton had almost 50 attempts which I never would've guessed going into this game vs. that pass rush - and he was surprisingly well protected. Beside the fumble, Brown also had that run where he came up 2-3 yards short on what I clearly thought was going to be an easy run into the end zone. We ended up kicking the FG there too. Nobody stepped up today on offense and it was clear that Sammy was not 100%. 1. The miss by Orton to Chandler in the end zone - that's -4 points. 2. Brown fumbling into end zone - that's -4 points. McKelvin fumbling the PR was a game changer.

Other than the Chandler miss, none of the other misses in the end zone were easy. (IMO). Does Aaron Rodgers make them? Probably. Does Alex Smith? Probably not. Orton didn't this week. He's not Aaron Rodgers. Alex Smith "manages" the win is what KC will say and he looks awesome. Orton should've "managed" this win too if it weren't for critical mistakes by his teammates.

I agree that we need to improve the red zone production. Your thoughts on how to do that? I feel that in our final drive in their red zone we simply threw too many times to get the TD in one play when we could've just run plays to slowly get the ball in there. I dunno. Sucks.

I agree. We've had serious issues in the red zone all year. Orton appeared to improve our red zone numbers a bit when he first started but overally we continue to struggle putting 6 points on the board in the red zone. We've had several fumbles in the red zone in several games, so that's a major reason. But other than that, is it the play calling? Is it the lack of a red zone "threats"? Is it a combination of players not executing in the red zone and play calling? I have no idea, but we seem to move the ball just fine between the 20's.

Lets not get carried away. Sammy Watkins was clearly not playing at 100% so the only realy WR threat he was playing with today was Woods. Did anyone expect a blowout today vs. the chiefs defense? If they did, they were foolish. The game was won w/ Orton's contributions. The game was lost with Browns and McKelvin's blunders. Did he come back this week? No. QB's don't have game winning drives every week. It happens.

Orton had nothing to do with this loss. Could he have hit Chandler in the end zone? Yes. That was probably his only clear miss. The pass to Woods had to be a freaking perfect pass b/c if it's even slightly underthrown it woul'dve been an INT. The pass to Watkins at the end of the game. Meh. Those throws are 50/50. Orton's only clear miss was with Chandler. 250yds and 1TD and 0 turnovers. Look at Alex Smith - he did absolutely nothing yet they still won. Why? Their RB didn't fumble it through the end zone and their PR didn't fumble it in his own red zone causing a complete change of momentum.