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I read on this board how no rational person would say O'brien was any less of a HC than rex ryan. He really got his team up for this game

LMFAO. No comment. Go back and compare the numbers I listed in the other thread regarding TT. His TD/INT ratio; Completion %; YPA; and QBR were the best among any QB we've had since Kelly. Only Trent Edwards (ironically enough) beat TT in any one of those categories in a given year - and that was in completion %

No comment.

Haha..not funny at all. I saw my post on there and I definitely expected a decrease in sacks; didn't anticipate such a drastic drop off though.

I just think different things are being argued or maybe I misread the article, but I thought that ranking was for QB's this year, and not QB's going forward. The article isn't coming up for me right now but if it's for rankings this year, I don't know how anyone can say Flacco/Luck were better than TT this year. If we are discussing QB's going forward, than yes, I would not rank TT ahead of Flacco or Luck yet.

Wait so let me get this right: fitz is now a top 10 QB? But TT is not? And Luck was a top 10 qb? Missing half the season? And throwing INT's left and right. Flacco?

Yup, 100% agree. Wilson's baseball background definitely helps him with sliding..haha. Even though Wilson is also a tiny guy, he seems to have that uncanny ability to always avoid the big hit...to always slide on time...to always be shifty just at the right time. That type of awareness can't be taught. His agility is amazing and he has complete body control. I'm not sure TT is at that level but I think TT is smart enough to know when to not push it further on a play - when it comes to typical pocket injuries, that is ultimately up to fate to a certain extent.

Hard to argue against that.

Agreed. We would not have lost the Jax game at a minimum. Guaranteed. Might have changed dynamic of season. Oh well, who knows. I'm excited going forward however. Biggest worry with TT for me going forward will be injuries, not performance. He seems like a bright guy. He seems confident. He seems like he will continue to improve.

I've thought the exact same thing. Despite Rex's success with the Jets, I wonder if all the hoopla with him in the media (the foot fetish nonsense) and his time on hard knocks kind of discredited him a bit with players outside the Jets organization - specifically with players on a rival team like the Bills. This core group of Bills defensive players (MW, MD, Hughes, KW, etc) have all competed against Rex and the Jets as a division rival for a few years now...so part of me wonders whether or not they take him that seriously as a result (compared to a player that rarely played vs. Rex and was in another division etc., and was not caught up on all of the division rival nonsense that goes on). This is not to say that Bills players don't like Rex and that all defensive players on the Bills don't believe in Rex - but like you said, my concern would be with the veteran superstars that have been around the block already and may not be as open to Rex's motivation. We'll see. That angle, if true, makes me a little concerned.

You specifically mentioned coaching rankings and then threw out a list of coaches, stating that all of the coaches you listed are no less a quality of a HC than Rex is. You even stated "no fair-minded" person would think that. So you stated that all of those coaches are either equal to, or better than Rex. I consider myself a fair-minded person and I disagree. Within the last 6 years (which is very recent), Rex Ryan as a Head Coach has been in two AFC Championship games. He has a 4-2 playoff record, including a landmark victory over the Patriots in the playoffs - on the road. Now, lets look at the coaches you have listed (excluding Belichik, Tomlin, McCarthy): Gruden: No playoff victories. Hasn't achieved squat. Lewis: HC of one of the most talented rosters in the NFL over the last 2-3 years. 0-6 in the playoffs. Zero landmark victories. Rivera: 1-2 playoff record. O'Brien: No playoff victories. Hasn't achieved squat. So, as a fair-minded person, how can you fairly state that Gruden or O'Brien are "no less" the HC than Rex is? What parameters are you utilizing for that statement? And lets not even go back to what Rex accomplished as a coordinator for the Ravens where they finished top 5 in defense 3 out of the 4 years he was their defensive coordinator - including #1 overall; #2 overall; and #5 overall. Rex Ryan was able to take a Jets team to consecutive AFC Championship games on sheer will, because lord knows that roster was not littered with talent.

Seahawks stadium looks sick. I want ours to look much like that. Just looking at it I feel intimidated. Lmao

All i know is that if we play more than one team next year coming off their bye I'll lose it Next year's schedule is going to be brutal as it stands now. I mean matchups*

Yup. Looking back the season came down to not being able to beat the Jags. And not being able to take a single game from the Giants/Eagles/Skins. Our schedule next year looks brutal with the afc north, hawks, cardinals and panthers. Oh boy. Other than Belichick, Tomlin, McCarthy, what have the others achieved in the NFL that Rex hasnt? And we're not talking about Rex having success 20 yrs ago. Its still fairly recent. Be objective. Gruden Lewis Rivera Obrien have all been on the hot seat within the last few years. Thats how great they are..

WR can be shoved out of bounds. And completion % and TD/INT ratio are both still relevant. QBs arent completing 95% of their passes and not every QB that finishes a full season has a 3.33 TD/INT ratio.

I agree stats can definitely be misleading at times. Or they can be manipulated a bit. That being said i had no idea what to expect from TT going into this season and boy was I impressed.

Awesome. Thanks! And i understand how comparing different eras can be difficult. The point of the thread was not really to compare TT to Kelly but rather that i had to go back all the way to Kelly to find a Bills QB with comparable numbers. Even Bledsoe, a more recent QB, did not eclipse TT in any of those categories.

Ok..well I did the first part... Someone else tell me where TT ranks in yards/attempt; completion %; QBR; and TD/INT ratio among "active QBs"...b/c I don't have the time..lmao.

Well, I did say that...but the whole point is that I even had to go back to Jim Kelly. Also, completion % is still relevant...also yds/attempt...maybe not total yards b/c teams pass more today. Also, TD/INT ratio is still somewhat relevant.

So it's a slow day at work..lol I decided to see where TT's 2015 numbers rank compared to other Bills QB's over the years. In 14 games in 2015, TT had: 3.33 TD/INT ratio 7.99 avg yds/attempt 67.8 QBR 63.7% completion % Going through every QB to play at least 14 games for the Bills in one season, you have to go back to Jim Kelly's 1990 season to even get close to matching all those numbers. in 1990, Jim Kelly coincidentally also played in 14 games, and he had: 2.66 TD/INT ratio (Tyrod even had more attempts than Jim Kelly that season..TT had 380attempts in 2015 and Kelly had 346) 8.18 avg yds/attempt *no QBR back then* 63.3% completion % ***The reason I used Kelly's 1990 season and not his 1991 season is b/c in 1990 his TD/INT ratio was much better despite Kelly throwing more TD's in 1991 and also b/c Kelly's avg yds/attempt were slightly better*** I guess this shows how many bad QB's we've had over the years...but when you look at the numbers, TT had a better statistical season this year than any of Flutie's years...or Bledsoe's years...and even many of Kelly's years (from 1986-1989)..and of course the game has changed a lot since Kelly...but it's still crazy. Only 1 QB since Kelly had numbers in any one of those categories that exceeded TT's this season and that was Trent Edwards in 2008 with a 65.5 completion %.

DIRTY.

Yup. And people complaining how Fitz couldnt throw the ball more than 10 yds...

Also, Bills offense #1 in NFL in passing plays of 25yds or more.

Hahaha. It truly amazes me how teams refuse to expand their horizons. Its the same across the board throughout the NFL. Teams continue to interview and higher mediocre coaches who have never accomplished anything in the NFL.

With the Seahawks being 27th in passing last year how did they make it to the SB? They should get another QB