bobobonators

No.

Because if all of the Victoria Secret angels threw a party and only guys were invited, you wouldn't attend if invited? "Sorry gals, im not signing that waiver - I know what goes on at those parties"

Correct. From the numbers, there is absolutely NO correlation between an offense's 3 and out % and a defense's performance: you look at the best offenses in the NFL at 3rd down %'s, they have some of the worst defenses in the NFL: 1. Redskins 2. Falcons 3. Saints 4. Chargers 5. Panthers Those are the top 5 teams in the NFL at having the fewest 3 and outs. They are the elite offenses at sustaining drives. And they all have horrible defense in pts/game, with the highest ranked team of those being Washington at #20 in pts/game on defense, and the rest being abominations. Meanwhile, some of the worst offenses in the nfl at sustaining drives have some of the best defenses in pts/game (as listed in previous post). ZERO correlation. Fact: if the defense is good, the defense is good. The defense WANTS to be on the field, b/c they know they can stop an opposing offense. The defense knows they're going to get a strip sack. The defense knows they're going to get an INT. The defense doesn't run away with its tail between its legs saying "oh no, the offense went 3 and out, what are we going to do now?" The end.

I get what you're saying, you don't have to be obnoxious about it. I'm not aware of a 3 and out % "in bunches" stat. I don't think that's tracked, except on this message board. Some of the best defenses in the NFL have some of the worst offensive 3 and out %'s. 3 and out % rankings: #31: Rams - 28.87%; have #15 defense in pts/game (better than Bills Defense pts/game) #30: Broncos - 28.86%: have the #6 defense in pts/game (better than the Bills defense pts/game) #28: NY Giants - 24.48%: have the #8 defense in pts/game (better than the Bills defense pts/game) #27: Bills - 24.43% #26: Lions - 23.48%: have the #11 defense in pts/game (better than the Bills Defense) #25: Cardinals - 23.45%: have the #11 defense tied with Detroit in pts/game (better than the Bills Defense) #24: Bears - 22.90%: have the #16 defense in pts/game (better than the Bills Defense) #23: Patriots - 22.56%: have the #2 defense in pts/game (better than the Bills Defense) Additional teams in the bottom half of the NFL in 3rd down % rankings on offense, but still have a better defensive ranking than the Bills in pts/game: Chiefs Vikings Bengals Steelers

The Arizona Cardinals have an almost identical 3rd down % as us on offense and they have the #2 defense. The Los Angeles Rams have a substantially worse 3rd down % than us and their defense is better than ours both in yards and pts/game. At what point does this excuse just become an excuse. Its a factor, certainly, but not an overwhelming one.

How many freaking threads can we possibly create discussing the same exact ****.

If we are to apply the same logic to that Defense as we do the current Offense around here, that #4 Defense wasn't good enough.

The plan was there. EJ didn't work out. Poop happens.

Bc it'll be Dec 11 and we'll still be mathematically in it. Bc youre a fan.

We keep referring to the Bills D under schwartz as if it was the holy grail of defenses. It wasnt. And 1 good yr isnt a pattern or standard. Looking at the years surrounding that 1 good yr id say that was the exception.

Dont worry. He'll be on here monday saying to fire everyone.

Its tough. Id say that for sure the three you mention come back. Of the following 3, we are likely to lose 2: Gilmore, Woods, Brown. If we can keep Gilmore and Woods that would be great. In all likelihood we lose both and keep Brown instead, which is fine.

As can be seen KW is pretty much a consensus pick for us. I like how shady is pretty close to consensus as well. I feel that last yr wouldve been a different story. Glad to hear the good news from Bills fans.

Is there a scenario where the Jets make the playoffs?

Dude dont worry about being that guy. Im right there with you. Go Bills!

Hope it snows. Love snow games in Buffalo. Just win. Move forward.

Hahaha.

Ny is Giants town. Add on the fact that the Jets are a dumpster fire and you get those ratings.

Theyll be out in full force after the next loss. Thats how things work for NFL fans.

I got the Pepto ready.

Haha. JETS JETS JETS!!!

Full tank mode.

Jets were 1.5 pt favorites.

Hahah. I hate how they dont show it in the states.