All_Pro_Bills

Perhaps you've missed my point. While racism exists to some degree I'm convinced the left (and perhaps the right) has no desire to resolve those circumstances. This movement carries the banner of a self-serving agenda. Driven by intellectuals and aristocrats. Not by people in communities living the experience. Successful crusades result in no need for crusaders. In this case resolving and addressing issues of racism would result in the elimination of these social movements. Also, we've had close to 60 years of programs and policies yet the consensus on the left is that things in 2021 are worse then ever. It might as well be 1860 based on their view. How is that possible? Are you suggesting this is true? That no progress in race relations or tolerance and fair treatment of others has been made since the Civil War? Confronted by facts that assessment is delusional. Yet it drives all our social discussions. All I want is an open and honest discussion of the current realities not discussions and false remedies based on the political delusions of the left. Nothing more nothing less. Not some pursuit of remedies based on a fantasy world that doesn't exist. Its simply not possible to define proper solutions without aligning with reality and reality is something the radical left which is allowed to drive the social agenda refuses to engage with when it comes to the current status of race relations.

Or the left does understand all of this and their agenda is just a big con to use race issues to gain power, influence, and control of society and all social and political narratives. You suggest they are unaware or stupid. I suggest they might just be sneaky and devious. Once we realize they are all full of crap and know they are full of crap but push their crap for their own purposes we can understand the "rules of engagement" here. Its hard to beat a cheater in a "fair" fight if you insist on playing fair. That means stop trying to understand and compromise with them and start playing the game by the same rules. The key problems conservatives face when battling the left and things like CRT is they don't have a clearly articulated vision or agenda defining what they stand for and support along with most of them lacking guts to get down in the dirt and fight. The left doesn't want to compromise and reach consensus. So stop engaging the left like you're going to do that. The left want obedience to and compliance of their agenda. Otherwise, I like your animal comparisons. I have a lot of wild life around my home and I see squirrels tussle with other squirrels, deer tangle with other deer, even rabbits fight each other which is sometimes comical to see. And other wild life. But they do it without intent to kill. I think one of the only species that kill one another are primates. A branch of which humans are descended from. That might tell us something important too.

And all Constitutional rights protecting freedom of speech are suspended. So comply and please surrender all your guns next. Do not attempt any original thinking or critical thinking. These are dangerous and subversive concepts for the people. Any attempt at forming your own views, views that have not been approved by the high council are deemed illegal. And punishable. Please report any friends, co-workers, or family you think are attempting individual thought to the proper authorities. We will ensure they are re-trained and indoctrinated properly in the new ways. This is all done in order to protect our democracy. Please pay no attention to any other concepts like individual freedom and liberty. Pay no attention to our real motives. We are also censoring all history and stories about how dictatorships arise and gain control for the obvious reason that we are following the dictatorship 101 playbook. Thank you for your obedience. But unfortunately it will not be rewarded in any way. We will mobilize all the resources of society and use them for our own purpose and leave you with nothing.

I don't think Trump will run again or even be relevant in 2024 but the Democrats can't allow a group of small ultra-left fringe elements inside the party control the entire national agenda. Because if that continues I suggest this union of 50 States will not hold together for much longer.

I think a lot of posters such as yourself understand the point I was attempting to make. But some do not and they go to the usual place with the argument. Which disappoints me. But my insight applies to almost everything we hear coming out of the government or the media today. My point is not to express concerns about who won or who lost the election. Nor to it to express my viewpoints on whether or not the election was fair. Or is it about being a supporter or detractor of Trump. Or to judge the claims on threats to democracy. My point is to call out BS when I see BS. And my alarm at how easy people accept statements of political and media actors that are unprovable and unsupported by any solid evidence. Transforming subjective opinion to truth and fact without the necessary facts or truth to back it up. And there are a lot of ridiculous statements and assertions made by a lot of politicians and people in the media that is plain BS. Statements like this was "the most secure election in history". There is simply no way anyone can prove this to be true or false given 200+ years of history, the number of Presidential elections, and the information available to verify this claim. As I said earlier in order to lie you first need to know the truth. Nobody can possibly know the truth about such a statement or create a forensic evidence trail to back it up. Its a belief, pure and simple. And perhaps an uninformed belief too. Ultimately the problem is we are in short supply of critical thinking across the entire social and political spectrum and that shortage allows these idiots to express these outlandish views and statements. And go their merry way unchallenged. Personally, over time, I have developed a quite cynical attitude toward the government and the media. My base assumption is they lie about whatever they have to and make crap up to support everything else when the need arises. Good or bad it a view defined by observation of their behavior. And like somebody from Missouri I will ask "show me".

The theme of my argument has nothing to do with who won or who lost. So you tell me what backs up the big talk about "the most secure election"? Lack the courage this morning to actually comment to my post? What I'm looking forward to is watching you and a few other characters squirm and contort reality when faced with the facts what you believe is a lie. What will you do then? Deny, right?

When they say "most secure election in history" I can't tell if they are practicing the comedy art of satire or just feeding us more BS. How do they know for a fact that 2020 was the most secure ever? Is that even possible to prove or know? Did they conduct extensive and detailed research into each and every Presidential election since George Washington? Analyze statistics and things like voting patterns and registered voter records, ran a bunch of audits and statistical models? And then out jumped all the insights and analytics that put the result of the 2020 Presidential election at the top of the list of all the Presidential elections in the history of our nation? Yeah I'm sure they've gathered all kinds of documentation to back up that statement with facts. As they have no self-awareness they don't realize how utterly stupid they sound making these statements of absolute fact. What it really comes down to is making up bull crap and then keep repeating it. The only people dumber than the people making such outlandish and unprovable statements are the idiots that believe them.

Social media companies that do not editorialize or censor or regulate the content on their platforms are protected from legal liability governing content. But Google, Facebook, and Twitter operate consciously and methodically in a manner inconsistent with the business model those laws are intended to protect. They do censor and apply editorial license. Which is inconsistent with the types of companies the law is intended to protect. So the law doesn't apply to Google, Facebook, or Twitter as a key component of their current business model is censorship which is applied in a discriminatory way. More or less censor what they don't like, don't censor what they do like. Which is editorial license. Which voids these legal protections. I think that's a lot of the argument with the lawsuit. And it seems logical and provable. If so, Trumps case is sound.

Given your view it would be wonderful to have you running things because the people at the DNC, the DOJ, and other attempting to stop or obstruct the inflight Arizona and Georgia audits and investigations into election misconduct and irregularities completely disagree with you. As they are throwing the entire weight of their organizations at the audits in attempts to stop the effort. Which raises another question. Why waste your time, energy, and cash attempting to stop somebody else from wasting their time, energy, and cash from looking for nothing? Are the counter suits some act of kindness? The answer to that question is so simple it appears many overlook it and can't utter the words or think the thought. I read a very insightful summary from a blogger that you can't really lie about something unless you know the truth. And I expect parties like the DNC and the DOJ do know the truth. And the truth is they don't care to share the truth about election night in these Sates with the rest of us. End of story.

What about the two current audits in Arizona and Georgia? Based on preliminary release of their findings the audit teams cited irregularities. Invalid counts of batches that don't match the actual ballots. Mail in ballots that never were sent to or arrived from the USPS. And so on. Still admittedly a work in progress. Would it have altered the result? Too soon to say. So what's the response of the government to a situation where probable cause exists to warrant more inspection and investigation? Well to dispatch the DOJ to sniff around for "civil rights" violations. Are we really expected to believe that's their motive in getting involved? Or are they just trying to crush the audits before they get too close?

Or are the people who flippantly dismiss those allegations, yet find it necessary to block and obstruct through any means available all verification and auditing of those election results and votes the threat to democracy? Which comes off as hiding something. Which lowers the already low opinion and credibility of government and their supporting cast in the media. The only thing Americans hate more than Congress is the Media. At this point for 1/2 the country it doesn't matter if there was election fraud. They believe the people in charge would lie about it if there was fraud. They would never tell the truth. And that seems like a reasonable assumption. And the government and media mouthpieces solution to this is to tell everyone to shut up and believe what we say and obey what we tell you to do. Otherwise you're disobedience to our omnipotent authority is a threat to democracy.

And I should add got away with all of it without being subjected to any adverse consequences whatsoever, no arrests, no jail time, no bad press, no nothing. All while raking in big money donated by all kinds of fools and cowards. And getting smothered with hugs and kisses from all the usual players while the rest of the country watched these terrorists operating with impunity. All in all a nauseating and sicking display of terrorism. Leaving me wondering why any of us should be held to any standard of following or obeying the law given the tolerance for these dirt bags. Maybe all the guys arrested and held without bail for 1/6 need to do is put on a BLM tie shirt over prison garb and use that get out of jail free card? The guards seeing this will immediately release them!

All BLM did was loot a bunch of businesses, burned down others, extort money and tribute, and beat and terrorize a lot of people in numerous cities while "peacefully protesting". All while disguising their Marxist objective with the race hustle.

I hear you. The 5 mile run I might be able to do depending on what is chasing me!

Dangerous order was telling the generals to go out and actually win a war this century.

Bomb the Presidential Palace in Havana. But first invite BLM leadership to attend the event.

My advice... Stop debating specific idiots here that never have a constructive comment or can't answer an elementary question on any topic.

What's most comical, over and above the constant and blatant contradictions and inconsistencies they express, is how these media ass clowns have absolutely no self-awareness. They are so arrogant and smug that these ass clowns don't know they are ass clowns. Now that's funny!

The problem is the truth and facts invalidate and conflict with their argument and at the end of the day all that's left is meaningless slogans and symbols which have no application to the issue.

What research is necessary? First there's no burden of proof meeting any legal standard here. This isn't a court of law its a message board. I'm merely providing my comment on what the opposition will likely do to block any progress. That's my view, my opinion, plain and simple. Posting on a story about the audit and the findings to date. You can either like it or not like it. So what "research" do you want me to do? Fly down to Atlanta and interview the audit team and then give you a full report? It seems to me you're just looking to avoid addressing the very strong probability that some level of systemic fraud is going to be uncovered in Georgia. Why don't you comment on that specific story instead of blowing a lot of smoke here? And maybe give us your expert opinion on how the audit team's approach and methodology is flawed? Frankly, your thought process is flawed here. What you're saying is we cannot generate any original thoughts or have any opinions or views unless these views and opinions are confirmed and verified as "true" by experts. Then we will be allowed to discuss the topic. So no critical thinking or logical thinking is allowed. Essentially your looking to impose some sort of pseudo censorship on our discussions unless the posts meet some "standard" you find acceptable. Nice..

There isn't a requirement for the left to "prove" or "verify" anything (which they never do) as evidenced by the continuous flow of false and misleading stories like the Russian collusion hoax. So putting out news on investigations in progress is a legitimate activity. And suggesting some reactions even if in jest to that news is well within my rights here to post. So let's see how this plays out.

Likely to follow. US AG Garland to send another team of DOJ civil rights lawyers to Georgia immediately. "Fact checkers" deployed by social media to block and delete content about GA audits. Launch of intelligence community disinformation and smear campaign to discredit the auditors. MSM will block, ignore, and dismiss news stories and sources on any irregularities insisting it was the fairest election ever.

What you're suggesting is conjecture and speculation. Your father would have been put in jail if he was black? I would frankly prefer to hear his perspective on that time and the events of it rather than his son's view. As per prison, although stats are hard to come by my best guess using available sources would put 1960 prison population in the ballpark of around 65% White. The existence of institutions such as separate but equal are well documented and are no secret to anyone. I learned of this in high school (and believe it or not we also learned about the Native American tribes that inhabited the area). And also gained awareness of social issues through involvement in the labor union and civil rights movements in my younger days. And as a result met and socialized with people then that lived under the system. But these social arrangements were outlawed with the civil rights acts of the mid-1960's. So its been about 55 years or 3 generations. Anyone under about the age of about 55 has no personal experience living under such a system, the oppressor or the oppressed. I could bump that age up to 60 to include anyone living at the time under age 5. That's about 2/3+ of the US population. The activists and protesters involved in groups like BLM citing these historical wrongs (which they were) have zero life experience in that system. Most are highly educated many with advanced degrees and grew up in higher income and middle to upper class households. They are far from oppressed. And strangely their confrontational approach to race relations and the pursuit of "equality" differ markedly from that of their elders. People that experienced blatant racism and fought for rights. So how can a system that hasn't existing for about 60 years that anyone under 55 plus up to maybe 5 more years has never experienced from any perspective have such a profound effect on the present?

That's not what I'm saying. The argument I'm consistently challenged with from some other posters is focused on a continuous historical retrospective and historical references which insist that past indiscretions should be blamed for present problems. The idea being past racism explains all current problems. And there is no time element associated with this past racism. It could be 10 years and its still there. It could be 160 years and it's still the dominant characteristic of culture. Perhaps people in the future will argue its still there after a 1,000 years and more. Who knows? Look, my life is far from perfect but I'm not sitting around holding a grudge against the Ottoman Empire for what they did to my ancestors 120 years ago and blaming them for why I didn't qualify for that home loan 15 years ago or why I didn't get into a better college. At some point it might be time to move on from chasing the ghosts of racism-past and move on to resolving some resolvable problems like improving education and income levels and addressing the fundamental causes and consequences of poverty issues. If people insist on blaming racism for all that ails society its a certainty that nothing will ever, ever get fixed.

Take your time machine back to the Trump administration and everybody in the media and the woke virtue signalers would be calling such statements from DHS racist. Can the irony and hypocrisy get any louder?