All_Pro_Bills

Yes. Concerned about your ability to comprehend reality.

You're kidding me, right? Secret payoffs and bribes are completely different from investing in a registered fund. When you pay bribes you expect favors, when you invest money you expect a monetary return. What else can I tell you?

One of the village idiots started this topic as a distraction and to present an apples to apples argument of an apples to oranges situation suggesting taking bribes and payoffs from foreign entities in return for as yet unknown political favors while laundering those payments through various shell companies and accounts and then distributing those funds to multiple parties, including the former VP's son and to the former VP himself, to use the funds for personal use and supporting a lavish lifestyle was equivalent to managing a registered private equity investment fund which took in investment money from a specific foreign official, namely Saudi MBS. Might there be an 'ethical" issue with the latter? Perhaps, but there is most likely no legal problem where the former is clearly criminal. But hey, even though they know its true, nothing short of torturing a confession out of them will ever convince some folks to admit it. I don't need to name them, do I? There's nothing more to say here and the moderators, if they exist, should close this topic.

The Bee said it best, to paraphrase, "2020 Election Interference Trial Set To Begin In Time To Interfere With 2024 Election"

Impeachment or not, the Democrats face the choice of letting a damaged incumbent President run for re-election or making the hard choice of dumping the incumbent and replacing him with another candidate acceptable to the radical extremists for 2024. My expectation is he's going to be "encouraged" to drop out well before the first primary happens. California governor and liberal aristocrat Gavin Newsom is one potential replacement.

By the look of his wasteline Trump isn't doing much running lately. I don't have a lot of confidence in conservative scholars and that sect. They prefer to run a nice regular guy like Mitt Romney, supporting forever wars, interference in the affairs of other countries, big spending government (while claiming fiscal responsibility when in the minority) and big corporate globalization efforts to offshore Ametican jobs and businesses, while graciously losing by 35 or so electoral votes

Because idiots think just claiming it was an insurrection 100 times makes it one and fantasize that 14A will keep Trump from running. Why do the Dems have such an obsession to keep Trumpoff the ballot while at the same time they say he can't win? They should be welcoming his participation if they believe their own story.

Its not how what specifically works? Show me legal precedent where a President was tried and acquited by Congress and then indicted for participating in the same crime after leaving office.

Smith's J6 charges are double jeopardy as defined in A5. "Nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be put in jeopardy of life or limb." The Semate acquited Trump of all J6 charges under the House articles of impeachment. Smith's charges are moot. They are materially similar and refernce the same act. You can't be charged with conspiracy or obstruction of an act the court, in this case the Senate, has already determined you are innocent of and therefore had no involvement. The mystery is how Trump's legal team has been asleep at the wheel in filing any motions to dismiss or petition the Supreme Court directly.

Somebody knocks on your front door. You say, "who is it?" They answer, "its Hillary". Do not open the door under any circumstances!!

If woke, or liberals, or progressives, whatever they claim to be, believe you can pick your gender, why can't you pick your race? I've posed that question in a few places but never received a coherent answer. Choosing race seems to be perfectly aligned with their self-identification "rules". Why not eye color, height, and weight? Claim to be 65 years old so you can apply for Medicare. Collect a pension and social security too. Waive 401k withdrawal penalties. If you're, say 19, declare you're 21 so you can drink and vote. This can be fun too, right? Use their insane beliefs to your advantage!

But they won't be. As an example, the Clinton campaign funded and manufactured the Russian collusion hoax, fed the false story to the FBI, which then used it as pretext to acquire warrants to snoop on a Presidential campaign. False statements, documents, payments laundered, and conspiracy. They all walked. AG Garland names the Asst AG as special prosecutor for the Hunter Biden "investigation", the same guy that's been stonewalling the investigation for years, made a secret blanket immunity deal, and shut down investigators from other Federal agencies such as the IRS. Special powers to delay it more and hide it better providing assistance to the administration in power. The cops at the FBI are going to arrest themselves and the lawyers at DOJ are going to put themselves on trial? Not a chance.

We're getting to the root of a point of contention. Governments also make false statements. And lie and cover up and withhold the truth. And issue propaganda and misonformation when it suits their needs. Given the politicized nature of the environment an independent third party review would restore faith in the process. Assuming they've got nothing to hide. And if such an audit performed under the supervision of the court proves the State of Georgia's contentions so be it. I think our differences can be summed up that you trust the government and I do not.

I'm willing to take a closer look from an objective perspective. Many of these charges revolve around the conclusion that statements are "false". Such as these. How is the Georgia DA going to prove they're false statements without opening up the voting record for scrutiny by the defense or some independent auditor? This should be interesting. 1. That 2,506 felons voted illegally in the November 3, 2020, presidential election in Georgia. 2. That 66,248 underage people illegally registered to vote before their seventeenth birthday prior to the November 3, 2020, presidential election in Georgia; 3. That at least 2,423 people voted in the November 3, 2020, presidential election in Georgia who were not listed as registered to vote; 4. That 1,043 people voted in the November 3, 2020, presidential election in Georgia who had illegally registered to vote using a post office box; 5. That 10,315 or more dead people voted in the November 3, 2020, presidential election in Georgia; 6. That Fulton County election workers at State Farm Arena ordered poll watchers and members of the media to leave the tabulation area on the night of November 3, 2020, and continued to operate after ordering everyone to leave;The DA better be damn sure that the case because I'd expect those charges create an opportunity for the defense to submit numerous discovery motions and call rebuttal witnesses.

In other news not communicated by the "nothing-to-see-here" corporate media: The National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) revealed it's in possession of some 5,400 records that contain email pseudonyms that President Joe Biden used during his tenure as vice president. This was revealed in a letter from the Archives to the Southeastern Legal Foundation (SLF), which last year filed a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request for any documents that referenced three pseudonymous email accounts: robinware456@gmail.com, JRBWare@gmail.com and Robert.L.Peters@pci.gov. “We have performed a search of our collection for Vice Presidential records related to your [June 9, 2022] request and have identified approximately 5,138 email messages, 25 electronic files and 200 pages of potentially responsive records that must be processed in order to respond to your request,” said the letter from NARA.

I always thought Quadrophenia was much better from a concept perspective along with the lyrics and music.

The nutjobs believe car theft and other crimes such as shoplifting are forms of reparations so therefore are not crimes. Until of course, their car gets stolen or they get robbed and then its an issue! The liberals message is as long as one of us isn't the victim we don't care.

But they didn't discuss robbing the bank. They went inside and sat down with the bank manager and wanted to discuss their account balance and some issues they had with it. When the manager said he already checked the balance and it was correct they continued to protest. Then they again asked the manager to check for missing funds. They said "finding" $11K would be good enough. The bank said no, they're not looking again. Then they raised questions of possible bank fraud. Went to court with those claims and got nowhere. But persisted. Then started trying to contact other bank employees. But got nowhere. Then they started snooping around the bank. Then the bank got annoyed and had the arrested for saying the bank was crooked. The problem is none of the actions or statement claiming fraud or interference by Trump's team appear unique to activities around election result challenges. We"ve seen it all before. Like people reaching out to have conversations with election officials. Nobody attempted to do or say lets make up 12,000 fake votes, insert them into the re-count, and claim victory. My point of saying that is to suggest if the main character in this show was somebody else we wouldn't be going back and forth pointing and counter-pointing about charges of conspiracy and such in Georgia because there wouldn't be any.

It's a bit tedious and redundant. 161 acts referenced. 90% of it references making various false statements and conspiracy about election fraud. Like that hasn't happened before. Here's an example. People made phone calls. These are serious crimes. Friggin' comedy. Act 122. On or about the 4th day of January 2021, STEPHEN CLIFFGARD LEE, HARRISON WILLIAM PRESCOTT FLOYD, and TREVIAN C. KUTTI placed multiple telephone calls and sent text messages to each other and to other individuals involved in the conspiracy. They include the following: l. At 9:41 a.m., STEPHEN CLIFFGARD LEE placed telephone call to HARRISON WILLIAM PRESCOTT FLOYD. At 11:24 a.m., HARRISON WILLIAM PRESCOTT FLOYD placed telephone call to DAVID JAMES SHAFER. At 12:25 p.m., STEPHEN CLIFFGARD LEE placed telephone call to HARRISON WILLIAM PRESCOTT FLOYD. At 12:32 p.m., STEPHEN CLIFFGARD LEE sent text message to HARRISON WILLIAM PRESCOTT FLOYD. At 8:10 p.m., HARRISON WILLIAM PRESCOTT FLOYD placed telephone call to DAVID JAMES SHAFER. At 10:00 p.m., HARRISON WILLIAM PRESCOTT FLOYD placed telephone call to STEPHEN CLIFFGARD LEE. At 10:19 p.m., HARRISON WILLIAM PRESCOTT FLOYD placed telephone call to TREVIAN C. KUTTI. At 10:43 p.m., TREVIAN C. KUTTI placed telephone call to HARRISON WILLIAM PRESCOTT FLOYD. At 11:10 p.m., TREVIAN C. KUTTI placed telephone call to HARRISON WILLIAM PRESCOTT FLOYD. 10. At 12:12 a.m. on January 5, 2021', TREVIAN C. KUTTI placed telephone call to HARRISON WILLIAM PRESCOTT FLOYD. These were overt acts in furtherance of the conspiracy.

I'll say it. My objections aren't over appropriate punishment for violations of the law.

It sounds like the DA's entire case against Trump in Georgia depends on an interpretation of the transcript of a phone call where Trump "demanded" a second recount where he stated "I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have because we won the state." The idea is the DA needs to convince the jury this is a command from the former President to direct others to commit fraud and falsify the election results rather than merely a statement of the objective and mathematically the number of votes required to gain a majority of the vote.

Play amateur psychologist all you'd like. Robert L Peters has been up to no good.

They talk a good game about Democracy while always siding with the State against the individual citizen. But I can't recall a one of them every using the word "Freedom".

The most egregious part of it is they've just got no respect for the game. Its bad enough that Team Left feels no need to follow any rules of order in pursuit of their objectives. But what facilitates that behavior is the fact they've got the ref's in their pocket as most of the people responsible for enforcement of the rules of the political and legal game share their locker room.

You can make the bigger evil argument by referencing Trump all day and night but none of that makes Biden innocent. You can refuse to accept that any reasonably objective person looking at the trail of bread crumbs leading to the President regarding the Biden family's shady dealings would conclude something is rotten here. You don't need complete information or official evidence (that House investigators have but aren't leaking) to draw a conclusion, but what we know already is a clear invitation to look closer. From the use of secret government issued e-mail addresses to claims of not ever discussing or knowing about his son's "business" dealings to being placed at the scene of meetings with client something is going on here. Generally people with secret e-mail accounts are attempting to hide something from somebody. And if all's on the up and up why lie and say you know nothing when you know the truth that you participated? To suggest Joe was duped or some lackey that just showed up at his son's behest and was played like a fool oblivious to how his presence would be used is ridiculous. If Biden has nothing to hide why is he hiding many things? Otherwise, I have no illusions anything short of a live confession on MSNBC would convince you and even then you might still be skeptical of some conspiracy.