Mr. ChumChums

He stepped onto an NFL field for ONE game though. Unless you're referring to his preseason games? Not sure you can really count on pre-season games to judge a young QB...

Exactly. And Denver linemen weren't known for being strong maulers anyways. They got by just fine on technique

haha didn't even catch that until you brought it back.

Consensus according to who? Mel Kiper? For all we know, he could've been given a 1st round grade by the majority of teams, and we ended getting an incredible value here

Somehow, Kraft paid the refs, even though he has no stake in the Bruins. He just likes to see Buffalo fans suffer. That bastard.

I think it IS statutory rape, either way. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think responsibility goes to the older party? Not sure. Someone well versed in these laws correct me! Either way, I see your point.

The idea is that Spiller has "A" graded potential, so that once he "develops", he'll have a rating on the high side of 95 And Lynch will probably be rated really low this season.

It's early

Can't find a link anywhere. Care to provide? My google skills ain't so good.

I think that Washington's interview response of "It's pretty common where I'm from" is very telling. Yes, we all know that apparently, the sex was consensual. Yes, at the same time, since she was a minor, it is considered statutory rape. And yes, it was his sister...ew.. But we have to keep in mind that (and correct me if I'm wrong), that none of us were raised in a single-parent household in the ghetto, in the deep south. Those are very SPECIFIC circumstances. I think the fact that he said "it's pretty common" tells us more about his upbringing, than how some people interpreted that he doesn't feel like it was wrong to begin with. None of us know what kind of lifestyle, or what kind of situational circumstances led to what he did. What if she came on to him, and he just didn't have the moral willpower to say no? What if he was forced into position where he had to care for his family, and one thing led to another, and he and his sister ended up in bed? We don't know, and none of us really know. This is a really bad example, but I'm having trouble thinking in the morning, but if there are 2 men in a dark alleyway, and one was going to mug the other, the other man has to fight back. What if he ends up killing his attacker? Is he a murderer? Or did circumstances complicate the situation, justifying his actions? (not saying though, that what Tony Washington did was justifiable...just saying for the sake of argument here) For the record, I am against bringing him in, but solely because it would be a PR nightmare for the team. The community would be angry, and it would be difficult for the masses to root for the team. So I can understand the people that are against bringing him in. You all bring valid points. But at the same time, none of us really know what happened, so it's hard for us to judge.

I can't stop staring at your avatar for some reason...and it hurts my head.

You should get your eyes checked http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/index.php?showtopic=112617

Oh no you didn't...now someone's going to make one!

Anyone know how successful other teams have been with transitioning a college DE to an ILB in a 3-4? Doesn't sound like it happens often...

Exactly. THANK YOU! Anyways, I didn't click that link to the NFl draft tracker...but let me guess...the highest rated player in round 2 was who...CLAUSEN? Just a guess. So does that mean every team that passed on him in the 2nd is going to be terrible? Absolutely NOT.

They say he doesn't have the speed to really get after the QB in the NFL. Runs a 4.76 in the 40. Here's one scouting report on him. http://www.draftcountdown.com/ScoutingRepo...nio-Coleman.php Strengths: Good athlete --- Nice balance and body control --- Does a great job in pursuit --- Uses his hands well --- Understands leverage --- Reliable tackler --- Varied repertoire of moves --- Active and aggressive --- Good instincts and awareness --- Top-notch competitor --- Super productive. Weaknesses: Lacks the height and bulk that you look for --- Just average speed and quickness --- Marginal burst --- Not real strong or powerful --- Struggles to get off blocks --- Gets thrown around by massive blockers --- Does not hold up against the run --- Inconsistent motor --- Durability issues. Notes: Was a three-year starter for the Tigers --- Named 1st Team All-SEC in 2008 and 2009 --- Led the SEC in both sacks and tackles for a loss as a senior --- Could project to defensive end in a 4-3 defense or outside linebacker in a 3-4 scheme --- Battled an assortment of ankle, wrist and shoulder injuries during his career --- Classic 'tweener who lacks the size to play with his hand down at the next level but may not have the speed to stand up either --- Terrific college player but certainly not the top pro prospect that his press clippings would lead you to believe

You were half right here. Again, you acknowledged your error... something you should NEVER do! Although a bit better with the name calling

If only McDaniels was so drunk...

So what if they didn't address 2 major needs in the 1'st couple of rounds? Does that really matter here? Our team was FAR away from needing JUST a LT and QB to be competitive. I hear what you're saying, and I understand it, but think about it from this perspective. A few years ago, the Minnesota Vikings were in desperate need of O-Line help. They were stuck in their perpetual suckitude. And lo and behold, in the 2007 Draft, when it came time for them to pick, a few O-Linemen who were considered solid prospects (Ben Grubbs and Joe Staley) were on the board. However, taking them would have probably been reaches at their draft position (7). So instead, even though they had a very solid RB in Chester Taylor, they went to grab the best player available in the draft, Adrian Peterson. Grubbs and Staley both fell to 28 and 29 in the draft. In fact, the Vikings further ignored their need for an O-Line int he 2nd round, and drafted Sidney Rice, WR. As it turns out, that draft worked out pretty well for them didn't it? And it was because they drafted to build a solid foundation for their team, instead of reaching in the draft for needs. Just be patient, and all will be well. Lets let everything play out for a few seasons before we start judging.

And what would be the point of getting them right now though? To help us win maybe 1-2 extra games this year, only to watch them leave after 2 seasons? I highly doubt that signing either one of these guys will help much. Maybe it will make you feel a little better after this season because of that extra win, but what about the next? And the next? We're building for the future, so that we can be continually successful, and you do that by building a solid core through the draft, and THEN signing veterans to plug in a few holes here and there, WHEN YOU ARE COMPETITIVE. We aren't there yet, and it will be a wasted to sign them. In the end, it will only hurt our rebuilding process. I'm getting really tired of this "WIN NOW" philosophy that we're in. If we're patient, we'll start seeing results.

They said that about Trent too But all kidding aside, Nix also said that Brown, although he does have a very fast release, does say he 3-quarters his balls (?). Not sure what this means, but I heard the same thing about Phillip Rivers coming out of college.

Gotta give props to the old Electric company with this one I like it!

While I DO agree with most of what you say, that 3rd point is slightly misleading, as Jauron's philosophy of playing "not-to-lose" did keep many games artificially close. It just wasn't good enough to actually win.

If only we also had a Johnson on our line...it would be almost complete.

I think Nix, in the post-draft presser, said that Moats was better suited for the inside, and Batten would be the better outside guy.