Hapless Bills Fan

OK, he was making it sound as though they had a lousy secondary AND lost two defenders, not that they lost 2 defenders so their secondary wasn't as good. I get it the Chiefs spend a lot of time in dime, but they still had both starting CBs and 1 of their safeties. We've been missing our best defender for 1/4 of the season. Jackson got torched. Cry me a River for the Chiefs.

I'm not a "Fire everybody!" or even a "Fire Frazier!" type. I don't know if the loose D at the end of the game and OT was more on McD or Frazier, or both. But what concerns me, is that "loose D" cost us a playoff win in Houston in 2019, and now this Divisional round. In between, we were unable to get stops in the Tennessee and the Colts game. There is also, IMHO, a pattern of being slow to make defensive adjustments or sometimes unable to do so in the 2nd half. So once is a happenstance, twice could be a coincidence ... more than that is a pattern. I hope Frazier and McDermott learn from this, but they're not novices or new as DC and HC. I'm a believer that with the proper "growth mindset", learning and true improvement are lifelong, but it's more difficult and requires fierceness and a true "fire in the belly". So I more hope, than think they'll get this fixed and move on. As far as the site, it's not an accident that there are more duplicative threads and more nonsense on here after a loss. The perception is that people need to vent, so we use a lighter hand and let it go on for a while.

Considering that many Bills fans (I ain't presuming to speak for most) made that assumption for this season, and that numerically, Josh Allen did "regress" in the sense of having lower stats this season - that would be burking the facts. What is this "horrible" secondary of the Chiefs and which 2 starters were they missing?

Hi. You realize that the bolded is exactly how Pittsburgh and Jacksonville beat the Bills? Ditto the Colts? The Bills were also seeing a lot of two-high safety looks. We won some games (2nd NE, improved 2nd half vs. Miami, 2nd half Tampa, came very close in the Divisional round) because Allen showed progress in "taking what the defense gives him" and taking those short quick passes to move the chains, requiring us to sustain 10,11, 13, 14 play drives. In the 2nd NE game, 2 Bills TDs came on 13 play drives. 2 Bills FG came on 10 and 14 play drives. In the 2nd half of the 2nd Miami game, we had 13 and 14 play scoring drives. This is Yesterday's Newspaper. The Bills went to the AFCCG with a high-voltage offense last season, and every team on Buffalo's schedule already spent extra time studying the Bills and finding ways to beat them. That already happened in 2021. If we don't have a good OC and we don't make improvements on OL and at skill positions -sure our offensive capabilities will continue to have holes, because one way we solved the "reluctance to run" issue, was by using Josh Allen as our best running back and that's a high injury risk. But what you say - already been there. And some of it is on Josh. He has plenty he can improve on with touch and trajectory of passes, especially screen passes and short passes, and then there's still room to improve in the deep game. The Chiefs felt that they could beat Cincy with an aggressive passing game in the 2nd half, as they kind of did in the first. But the Bengals adjusted, and the Chiefs didn't adjust to the adjustment quickly enough.

Pederson is reportedly interviewing for HC opportunities in Jax and NO https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfl-head-coach-and-gm-interview-tracker-raiders-hire-josh-mcdaniels-as-new-head-coach/ Snap. But you left out Canadian, I think that needs to be included 😁

Romo has a 10 year, $180M contract with CBS. That's $18M a year, for 1 football game per week and its associated prep - most of which he does from home. I'm sure he does a thorough job, but not the 7 day a week, 16-hr day grind that an NFL OC puts in. Don't think that happens.

I'm gonna spit-ball here. Palmer and his "QB Summit" company do 12 camps "limited" to 40 QB at $1500 per QB. That's $720,000 right there. They do offer discounts for 2 or 3 camps, but even assuming a 50% discount that's $360,000. Obviously that's gross not net, and there's facility rental, assistants, etc. But I can see the overhead being pretty low, given that some of his pupils might assist for reduced rates on training or free training (Kyle Allen, say?) He has digital memberships which give access to coaching videos, film breakdowns, and live sessions for $159/month. No idea how many people subscribe. Let's say most of his QB campers do, and double that number of other QB, maybe for 3 months of off-season improvement. That's $686,880. Again assume he gives a hefty discount -right now his website says 50% off, that's $343,440. Once he's got the videos and the material created and online, that's probably pretty much all profit. He offers 6 weeks of 1:1 mechanics review training with Mike White (the biomechanics guy). That says "sold out" so I couldn't get info on price. But if he's charging $750/day for a camp, maybe $125,000 - $250,000 for 6 weeks including, say, twice daily 1:1 sessions? he could perhaps do 6 per day. Pick the lower bound - $750,000. Say he splits it with the biomechanics guy, 1:1, $375,000. Then he seems to take on ~3 QB per season for NFL preparation. I don't know what he charges for that, but given that even the #32 1st round pick gets a $10.8M salary with a $5M signing bonus - could be hefty. Maybe 6 weeks of prep for a similar price, but only 3 guys. Another $750,000? Basically, he could be grossing a couple million a year from his QB summit business, leaving aside his NFL clients. And I could be off by a factor of 10. Josh Allen and Joe Burrow are his most successful pupils to date (Burrow did draft prep with Palmer and also worked with Palmer and the biomechanics guy after his rehab). So it probably behooves Palmer to keep their business, since their endorsement as his pupils undoubtedly helps him bring in a lot of HS and some college QB to his business. But when you're the $253M man, you can afford to pay $250,000 to $500,000 for your personal off-season QB trainer to do whatever for you. In contrast, an NFL QB coach is said to make $200,000-400,000. The rule's the rule. No, it's not all coaching jobs. It's coordinator positions (OC, DC, ST), HC, and various FO positions

Nah. He can take two that we can't block (OC and DC). Anyone else leaving, he takes with the Bills blessing.

A lot of those sacks were on Joe Cool (IMO)

Not unless being a fat bald Canadian qualifies him as a minority hire

But the "fruit" for an OC is in large part not determinable from the players they've worked with and developed. And a position coach may not have much influence on "where their units ranked in the league statistically" since that may depend on how they're used, which could be "above their pay grade". Can the guy design plays? Can he integrate the passing game and the run game effectively, and avoid becoming predictable? What about his situational play calling - does he have a good "feel" for what is effective when? Until he gets a step, we really don't know. And if he's done it before, we may still not know. For example, I understood McDermott's choice of Rico Dennison. He had just won a Superbowl as OC in 2015, with an aging and ineffective formerly great QB in Peyton Manning. That looks like a great track record! But in retrospect, a lot of that success probably belonged to Kubiak, and he was lacking in personnel judgement (the rumors that he banged the table and demanded that McDermott bench Taylor for Peterman).

I'm not sure. But I *think* Michael Silver is generally regarded as reliable, unlike some of the NY Giant Fanboys putting out tweets.

Oh Now. That's an interesting thought.

I think that would be the hard question for Johnson: why TF did we suffer through 6 games of Feliciano and 8 games of Boettger at LG with Bates just sitting there? Then you look at Quinton Spain starting in the Superbowl and Wyatt Teller being traded to Cleveland and, to the extent that Bobby Johnson weighed in on those moves, you start to question his player personnel evaluation.

I'm not sure it's good news, though, given McDermott's choice ran to Teflon Juan Castillo Thought Chad Hall was also?

No - but I think you don't

Quick someone, photoshop a Bills cap onto this fella: I thought the problem is that Watson tries to be too much the "player" when NOT clothed

Is the quote correct, or is the quote not correct?

The NFL rules are quite specific about what they regard as a coordinator position that can not be blocked. Here's the language: So no, calling Johnson the "O-line coach and run game coordinator" would not meet the above rules. I dunno about "couldn't accept", but certainly Cody Ford was given every opportunity to show he could play. But he wasn't keeping Bates on the bench, as Williams subbed in for Ford and Bates didn't get his shot until Feliciano, then Boettger went down. IMHO Bates was behind Boettger on the depth chart in part because he was the backup C and could play across the line, but also because I think they were better than he (which is not saying much, Mind) at the zone run blocking schemes the Bills were stubbornly and unsuccessfully trying to run. When the Bills switched to running a lot more gap schemes, the math changed. I have to say, these NY Giants sports guys are NOT impressing me with their football coverage so far.

The point is, Daboll can't "poach" him. The Bills may release him [Edit: to take another position] vs. terminating him, if they have someone different in mind and he has a job to go to. They did this with Teerlinck and Culley. But VTech and the Ravens didn't "poach" those guys.

Heh. Yeah, arguably so, at times.

As Buddy Nix used to say, "if you start listening to the fans, pretty soon you'll be sitting with them"

C'mon man, we all know there is a hierarchy where coaching candidates go from assistants to position coaches to HC. Why be like this?

Has he? Who? Bill Teerlinck did a lateral move (maybe a step down) from Bills DL coach to VT DL coach, but it was commonly believed he allowed Teerlinck the "face saving" step of taking a new job vs. firing him to make room for Eric Washington, who had just lost his coaching job with the Panthers. Similar "face saving" with David Culley taking a more-or-less lateral move to "assistant head coach, passing game coordinator, and WR coach" to bring in Ken Dorsey McDermott fired Rick Dennison after the 2017 season and "Teflon" Juan Castillo after the 2018 season. He fired Terry Robiskie after one season in 2018. I'm trying to think of who else has left? He Can't. Beane and McDermott are not going to allow this, and he can only hire one OC and one DC.

My point is, these Giants guys (and others) don't seem to have the memo that the NFL rule change applied to COORDINATOR POSITIONS. So Bobby Johnson could interview as Daboll's offensive coordinator, and the Bills couldn't block it. But Daboll does not get to bring up the list of assistant coaches and say "I'll have Chad Hall as my WR coach and Bobby Johnson as my OL coach and and and...." It could still happen, if the Bills bring in a new OC who wants to bring in some of his own assistants, OR if, as you say, McDermott talks to the coaches and decides to let them go. But it's the Bills choice https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2892442-report-nfl-owners-ban-blocking-assistants-from-interviewing-for-oc-dc-jobs