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Lance Zierlein take on NFL. com Draft Projection: Priority free agent Overview Tall tackle with predictable leverage issues, creating difficulties in both run and pass phases. Tenuta is a segmented mover who lacks desired play strength. His issues are made worse by erratic hand placement, but coaching could improve his hands, which would alleviate some of his strength concerns. He won't shine as a drive blocker or move blocker. And his pass-protection issues are more physical in nature, making them harder to correct. He's a potential undrafted free agent and could struggle to compete at the pro level. Strengths Started at both tackle positions. Father is a longtime coach. Pretty fair athlete getting into space on pulls. Uses size to wall off linebackers on climbs. Inside hands will make him stronger in pass protection. Protection looked better by the end of last season. Hustles out to meet edge speed with pass sets. Weaknesses Disappointing length for his size. Height creates natural trouble with leverage. Lacks explosive lift into contact. Below-average lateral movement. Upper-body strength and core power are a concern. Below-average punch and control in pass sets. Pass slides are heavy and segmented. Below-average anchor.

Good post. Well, anything is possible. But this seems unlikely: 1) the (1,2) set (2 WR, 1 RB, 2 TE) was the most common offensive set for only one team last season: Miami. Only about 1/3 of the teams use the (1,1) set on fewer than 50% of their snaps: Atl, Bal, Cle, Mia, Minn, NO, SF. Do those look like teams we probably want to emulate offensively, to you? I think the 11 set remains our predominant offense. The focus on signing slot-type WR (Crowder, McKenzie, now drafting Shakir) says to me that Dorsey wants to use 3 WR and wants to be sure he has a reasonable Beasley replacement on-tap. Then the focus on acquiring/drafting RB who represent a legit pass-catching threat from the backfield (Duke Johnson, now James Cook) may argue that we want to see more (1,2) or even (2,2) sets, but OJ Howard is a guy with all the potential in the world, who hasn't quite proven he can do that thing yet on the field consistently. So I don't see us decreasing our reliance on WR quite yet, though I hope we will have some more effective wrinkles in the short passing game. I agree with this. The Bills have definitely said "OK, you want to play 2 deep safeties and blanket the middle of the field, prepare to have us run on you or burn you underneath with guys who can gain YAC." I think Crowder deserves a good year. I don't share the Stevenson enthusiasm. I share this as a hope. Beane certainly laid it out there as a belief that a decent run game was important to protecting Josh. According to Daboll Josh has had the authority to audible since his 2nd season. So I'm not sure what additional freedom you're looking for.

Actually, a lot of this board (myself included) sees weakness on OL and pass rush. We addressed the latter in FA, the former Not So Much

Sorry about the delayed unlock, guys Sounds like someone to compete at backup Swing tackle. https://www.nfl.com/prospects/luke-tenuta/32005445-4e67-5714-49e8-18b876a064eb "Tenuta comes from an athletic family. His father, Jon, played football at Virginia and is the defensive coordinator for the USFL's New Orleans Breakers. His mother, Dori, played hoops at Virginia. As a redshirt freshman, Tenuta made five starts in 13 appearances at right tackle. In 2020, he started nine games at right tackle. He started 10 games at left tackle and one on the right side in 2021. " -- by Chad Reuter I suppose I'm prejudiced by the abhominable play of the previous OLman we drafted from V-Tech, Ed Wang (5th round, 2010)

there we go!

Saffold has played RG and was told "for now" they expect he'd be playing LG One can make an argument, sure

It does it again, rubbing the lotion on its body won't save it from getting the hose

Given the importance of "building from the inside" and the fact that last year's OL was severely deficient in run blocking - the idea is to bring someone in BEFORE you need them.

Saffold on a 1 yr contract and the hope that Bates will continue to play well are not long term plans at IOL

Mitch Morse is a good guess, or how about Ryan Bates? Could it be Ryan Bates? A guy who would pick up a chicken wing hat and scream "I'm a Chicken Wing! I'm a ***** Chicken Wing!" would vibe well with that group

Right, but in the post I quoted, there was a link to a video in which it was clearly not - Josh was sitting next to Knox, then Doyle, then Sweeney. Elam was in the 2nd row flanked by a couple of guys - I'm not sure if it was Tyrell Dodson, Gabe Davis, Elam, then Epenesa (??) Because I don't think the Chiefs and the Bills were both targeting the same CB. I think if Beane wanted to move up, it would (hopefully) be for a different position. And two quality OLmen I had hoped the Bills were targeting, both went off the board higher than 20 (17 and 19)

Question: what are these sources, and why is it reasonable to think "most teams" had McDuffie higher? I understand you're a Chiefs fan, so it's reasonable of you to think that the Chiefs got the better, more highly ranked player. But we've seen over and over that how teams rank players, and how press draft pundits rank players, are not the same thing. Maybe it's just hopeful thinking on my part, but if the Bills were calling around trying to get up to #20, I think it's possible they were hoping to get a player at a different position - Zion Johnson or Trevor Penning, or perhaps Treylon Burks (less likely I think). Once those players were gone ahead of pick 20, it was time for "plan B".

Who are the guys flanking Kaiir in the 2nd row?

At first I thought that's why Beane was collecting extra picks, to trade up. But regardless of value, does any team really want to trade a 4th for a bunch of 6th round picks?

Honest question: What has Stevenson done that you feel showed a lot of promise? Hodgins. There seems to be a lot of Hodgins love on the board. In general, we as fans seem to love our 6th and 7th rounders who we've barely seen on the field (Sweeney). The bottom lines are: 1) Hodgins is going into his 3rd season, and has seen four (4) snaps in one game. That's not promising. 2) Fundamentally, Hodgins would be no higher than the #5 WR behind Diggs, Davis, Crowder, and McKenzie. The #5 WR MUST play teams. Has Hodgins ever played teams? In College? In Preseason? That's why Kumerow is on the roster - not because he's a great or even a good WR, but because he can really play teams.

So here's their explanation of it: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/index37a8.html It has a lot of links in it, but if you're really interested, you can go through and find the details. Bottom line I think it doesn't, but I could be wrong.

LOL looks like Kaiir Elam fled to the second row to let Doyle and the TE (and Allen) rowdy together. Can't blame him!

Is he though? I've tried to find his past "big board" to compare to how players actually worked out, and couldn't. Maybe they're available on some paywall site? What is Kiper's success percentage (let's say, players he listed in the first 3 rounds turning into capable NFL players within 3 years, which is a pretty low bar)

I don't think this is quite right. Early days yet, but Spencer Brown shows promise. Devin Singletary had a strong 2019 and a strong end of last season - I don't think flaws there are with him, I think it's blocking and how he was used. Harrison Phillips is a solid player at a position which, for the Bills, requires grinders who don't get good stats, and got a solid 2nd contract from a different team. Knox looks great as of his 3rd season (last year) but did not look like a good pick his rookie year and 2020. So it's possible that Epenesa and Basham may yet show something. So that would say out of 8 picks, Beane got 1 looks-like-star (Knox), 3 solid players (Singletary, Brown, Phillips), 2 disappointments (Ford, Moss) and 2 guys who are disappointing so far, but may still turn out good (Epenesa, Basham - see above where Knox didn't look so good his first 2 seasons) I believe overall the success rate in the 2nd and 3rd round is 30% - that's not 30% "stars" that's just 30% guys who can legit play in the NFL. Because Milano gets hurt and we moved on from Klein

Except that Marquise Brown has been repeatedly and publicly unhappy in Baltimore. Which Lamar Jackson knew about. Source: Marquise Brown https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/04/29/hollywood-brown-acknowledges-he-asked-for-a-trade-and-that-lamar-jackson-knew-about-it/ ....incorrect, according to Brown, who said he had multiple convos with Lamar about not liking the Ravens "system"

I think this falls into the category "Be conscious that posts in a quiet week in March (or July) may be inappropriate during training camp (or the middle of draft week)"

I mean, it could be, the point is that BMI just correlates height and weight, it tells you nothing about body composition and whether the weight is due to fat or to heavy lean muscle. Look at that fat slob

I'm sure the Bills did their due diligence on his character and work ethic. WTF is this with "BMI"? CDC: If an athlete or other person with a lot of muscle has a BMI over 25, is that person still considered to be overweight? According to the BMI weight status categories, anyone with a BMI between 25 and 29.9 would be classified as overweight and anyone with a BMI over 30 would be classified as having obesity. However, athletes may have a high BMI because of increased muscularity rather than increased body fatness. In general, a person who has a high BMI is likely to have body fatness and would be considered to be overweight or obese, but this may not apply to athletes. A trained healthcare provider should perform appropriate health assessments to evaluate an individual’s health status and risks. At a self-acknowledged 245 on the Pat McAfee show last season, Josh Allen has a BMI of 29. At his listed weight of 237, it would be 28.1. Such a Lummox! I thought squirrels and Jr High Girls understood that BMI is only useful as an indicator of obesity for people with a "normal" build, because all it does is correlate height to total weight - and if someone has a high muscle mass, they will have a high weight for their height and a high BMI even as they have a low body fat percentage.

Yeah yeah everybody says “best player available” but practically speaking, I don’t see how any team could do that. They grade the guys, they’ll typically have several guys with similar grades at different positions and then yes, of course, need factors into it.