Hapless Bills Fan

No, I think it was real. It's possible to have a knee sprain that doesn't need a brace against ordinary activity. I think in the season he might have braced/sleeved and played through it though.

Yeah. Dr Poyer and Mr Hyde. How about go a bit more Dr. Jekyll on your teammates?

How does the "neck and neck" compute with Wallace sitting out the game vs. the Bears?

Do you think this is making him an early cut to "devalue" him to other teams?

This. I think Daboll *tried* to give Allen "hot" reads and checkdowns, but Allen wouldn't freakin' take them. Still doesn't take 'em when sometimes he should. As far as "run run pass", we actually ran ~3% less than 2017 and passed more than we ran - 52% pass, 48% run - so even there was a switch from 50.5% run of 2017 and 2019 even a bit more pass heavy at 52.5% pass. Anyway, I don't feel Daboll ran any kind of a simplified offense for Allen. Seems to me the Bills were determined to have a pocket passing QB, and it was "rut hog or die" for Allen.

Wow, OK, I only got 1 out of 5 (Bug Howard) this time. I was debating between 2 for OL cuts and picked the wrong one (Devey vs Gauthier) - seems like keeping vet experience over a younger, possible to develop player I was off on the LB, I thought they liked Tyrell Adams I thought they wouldn't snip a safety with various injuries at DB AND I thought Lance Lenoir had made enough plays he might actually wind up on the PS! You guys Da Man

By what standard? And how would you know? You don't see what we prune, or the branches that typically result from some of the more innocuous stuff we prune (we prune because we've Seen That Movie Before and know where it'll likely go) SDS didn't make the decision he made lightly. He made it because he "did the experiment" of asking us to let folks run with the political and covid discussion more than usual, last summer. Then one of us mods came back from vacay and said "*****, what a Cesspool this formerly great Football board has become". So he decided the experiment was Done and it was time to get back to Football and limit such talk. That's actually a reasonable ask, I think. Lemme run it by the other guys in the Mod Corral and see what the consensus is there.

We should be able to talk about it, but people apparently can't refrain from broadening the discussion into the political, or into general discussion of vaccine effectiveness, insulting players who don't want to get vaccinated as "idiots", etc etc etc. So after a while when the mods run out of energy to keep it on track and limited to football, 🔒 time

OK Folks, we don't seem able to discuss this as a football issue without going way beyond NFL rules and into the relative risk of vaccinated and unvaccinated people transmitting covid and making general statements about covid, (some supported some not) I split off a couple of articles people linked into the covid facts thread, where answers to questions about vaccine effectiveness against Delta and relative rates of vaccinated and unvaccinated people getting sick can be found. Cheers!

After testing negative, they would still be able to enter the facility and practice vs. being sent home for 5 days. They would be tested every day and go on the covid list if they test positive.

Correct, after they tested negative.

Mahommes is vaccinated, he got vaccinated early and was public about his decision, saying it was to protect his baby

I could be wrong, but I think every close contact (vaccinated and unvaccinated) is tested immediately and for the next 5 days. The "sent home" bit is correct.

Oh, good catch I missed it. OK, that's subtle enough, and it made me laugh.

Good question. I think you're correct. I can't find it now, but I remember reading that the NFL finally changed its policy to reflect the evidence for natural immunity by saying players who had a previous infection + 1 shot would now count as fully vaccinated. Maybe they'll revisit this policy, too.

The NFL is "behind the data" on the Delta variant and needs to change their policies to reflect emerging data. I think they will, but when? After 1-2 teams have an outbreak? Even though the risk of vaccinated players/personnel catching and transmitting the virus is lower than unvaccinated, it is now sufficiently higher that the policies for vaccinated players no longer reflect the epidemiology. "You can't fly the forecast, you have to fly the weather you find." "The territory is not the map, even if the map is a really pretty and well-drawn map" etc.

Again...the NFLPA negotiated vaccination to be a personal choice, so it's their right to exercise that personal choice.

We think they're unvaccinated (or not fully vaccinated) because per NFL policy, vaccinated players who are close contacts get tested daily but don't need to quarantine as long as they test negative. Caveat that they could be in the process of getting vaccinated and the "unvaccinated" rules would still apply.

Exactly, You Got It. The rule may or may not make sense, but the Rule is the Rule and (as Belly Cheat proved time and time again) the advantage goes to those who use the rules to their advantage.

I appreciate your serious question, but please go look at the data on transmission risk provided in the Covid Facts thread, and if you want more discussion hit me, and I'll be happy to explain in PM. General epidemiology discussion is beyond the scope here.

You read the posts. The point is if the players were vaccinated, per NFL policy they would not have been sent home.

That 100% makes no sense.

There are data, but discussion of the data is beyond the scope here. Link above.

I think they made the policy based on solid data available this spring, before the Delta variant took over. They need to change the policy to match the current reality. There isn't great data from the US yet for {reasons} but there's no reason to ignore good data from UK (linked above) I just hope they change before a team has an outbreak.

The point is (must we say it loud for you to hear?) these players did not catch covid (yet), but due to NFL policy unvaccinated players must quarantine as close contacts. Vaccinated players who are close contacts do not need to quarantine. Therefore if they were vaccinated they would still be working with the team. Them's the facts as they stand (NFL policy).