Hapless Bills Fan

Yeah, this was Very Lame. Your quarterback: Josh Allen, the country bumpkin who magically went from a busted Juggs machine to an MVP candidate the second Stefon Diggs came into town. The Bills then rewarded Allen with $150 million in guaranteed money. Meanwhile, Diggs is currently the 19th-highest paid wideout in football. I’m sure this’ll cause no internal strife of any sort. You might think that Allen’s deal ensures stability at quarterback and that the Bills will win 12-plus games a year every year going forward. But lemme tell you something: No other quarterback in football screams Local Hayseed Wins Powerball And It Ruins His Life more than Josh Allen. Come Halloween, he’ll hand out little baggies of meth that he brewed out of his gold-plated bathtub. He’s Ryan Leaf with better coaching, and I still don’t think he’s vaccinated. I think you ought to raise your standards a tad. And by "a tad", I mean "a gargantuan amount" I thought it was low-effort and no-thought.

😆😅 Please, Restrain yourself. This is a Family Newsgroup

The NFL/NFLPA-agreed protocol for pre-season specifies a method that has a sensitivity and selectivity >95% so false positives AND false negatives <5%. Math says that the real rate of false positives must be considerably lower than that (see below). There was an initial event where 77 false positives were identified after a contamination event at Bioreliance, but after that not much was heard. The CDC co-authored a paper with the NFL about last year's testing program: Even a 1% rate of false positives would be over 6,230 false positives and we didn't hear anything like that after the initial 77-sample debacle. I don't even think we heard about an equal number of false positives to confirmed cases (of course, we didn't hear about all the confirmed cases either unless they involved players or coaches). So I think it was probably a fraction of 1%. You bring up a good point though. If the disease prevalence in a population is lower (say, 7x lower in vaccinated athletes as in NFL preseason per Allen Sills), one can easily get to a point where the false positives become a significant fraction of the positive tests. It's an interesting paper. Oh, BTW: if we ever wondered why the NFL was so unbending towards the Denver Broncos and made them play without a QB, here's why: That explains why the QBs weren't immediately ID'd as contacts but classified as contacts later (after the surveillance video was reviewed). And the NFL was like, "yeah, my Nose Bleeds for you, Elway; self-inflicted wound."

I like how Josh puts an arm down then you can see him decide "OK, I'll let the little fella roll me" and go over Reminds me of how my neighbor's 120 lb dog still lets our 40 lb dog take her down, like she did when she was a puppy. And yeah, Kahale Waring and Knox and Ford and a bunch of assistants just standing around like "yeah yeah nothing to see here"

Not liking the continued Emmanuel Sanders foot report. Something that's persisted all through camp and is still limiting him, No Bueno Notable no Sweeney on the list.

I thought it was interesting for the insight on how critically important it is to put that work in and have the QB and WR be on the same page It may be that Cole is much more effective playing for Daboll as OC and with Allen as QB, because the former is more willing to utilize what he does well and the latter is willing to put in the time in the film room and on the field to get on the same page and avoid the interceptions. I also think that it's going to be Big for Allen to "take what the defense gives him", not force it, and dink-and-dunk down the field if he must.

"But when I got my MMR vaccine... I never get measles mumps rubella There are a lot of people who do get the vaccine and get coronavirus.. maybe that changes some of their opinions to not get it" When I'm talking about other people's opinions, I usually don't lead off "when I got... I never get" That's usually the language people use when they're discussing their own belief and experience. Thus the confusion. Most of us (at least here in the midwest) know all too much about people's misinformation-based reasons for not getting vaccinated, and don't need to have the misinformation reprised as though it's correct or meaningful. "There are a lot of people who do get the vaccine and get coronavirus.. maybe that changes some of their opinions to not get it Like why bother if I can still get it" That's an opinion based on misinformation provided by the news/podcasts/internet sites they frequent. Sometimes when presented with actual data and correct information, people realize their opinion is mistaken and change it. That's how it's supposed to work. We're not talking about matters that really should be left to personal taste, like how you feel about rap music or Mighty Taco or White-on-White decor. As far as Beasley: I think you're absolutely correct but not for the reasons stated. His beliefs go far deeper down the conspiracy wormhole than the idea that the vaccine doesn't keep people from getting Covid (not naming my source, but it's good). I'm not going to give them airplay by explaining them here, as though they have factual credence. Your statement "it has nothing to do with science politics sports religion or anything" is beyond what I'll debate here, but IMO it Damned Straight has everything to do with science (and whether people understand and value science, or No), with politics, and sometimes religion. How to put it nicely? If those Unvaxxed players Beasley refers to are willing to lose their Football dreams over a vaccine that underwent full safety and clinical trials and which is now up to 376 MILLION doses served in US alone with low % side effects, that shows the relative value they put on their Dreams, vs. the advice they get off their Handheld Device (as Ron Rivera puts it). Many (if not all) of us have been required to get one or another vaccine either as a condition of attending school, military service, employment, or travel. You meet me, crack a beer and ask me about being required to get Heptavax B in the '80s, as a condition of my employment, sometime. Cry me a River for those Poor Guys.

I thought Watt had been on the field at practice every day for individual work and drills but not participating in team segment? Nowhere to Hyde, Tre!

Diggs saw the woman in a club and sent her a bottle of champagne and a note As one does when one is a noted "playa" like Stefon One of the rapper's "people" didn't like it and told Diggs to "find someone else" or go play football Diggs, of course, is likely to do both regardless, being (as McKenzie says) "very popular" AND about to start football season The rapper should level up his game if he wants to keep his woman's attention: "If you Like it Then you Shoulda put a Ring on It, Don't be mad when you see that he want it"

That last is a super-important and often overlooked point. Beasley shows up prominently in a bunch of Josh Allen highlight films from last season, and one thing that really struck me was how fantastic Beasley's ball security is. He is often getting hit, upended, and rolled immediately after the play and I think that's where a lesser receiver would lose the ball resulting in either an incompletion or a fumble.

Great find, thanks Yolo! This caught my eye: Sounds like the "humble and hungry" message came up through his family roots See above. It sounds like McD's family surroundings were loving and respectful, but giving the strong message that you're always striving to improve I would guess that's the message he tries to give to the coaches and the team - we care about you as people, we see your potential as players, now here's 3 things you've got to get better at each week, "don't leave until it's right"

If I remove posts like this, I'm a Devil Moderator for "censoring" (even though censorship doesn't apply to a private entity like company or private board) If I leave them and the discussion takes off then "Look at what's become of the Board, it's so full of Politics and Covid it's swamping out football" Damned if I do, Damned if I don't. ----------------------------------------- NFL data on preseason. The NFL's Chief Medical Officer, Vanderbilt Neurosurgeon Dr Allen Stills, shared data that 7x more unvaccinated players tested positive during training camp and preseason. These data are consistent with recently published big studies in the US. Stills also stated they have not seen any intra-facility spread. If a painless injection made a player 7x or 5x or even 3x less likely to suffer a knee injury and significantly decreased the severity of knee injuries that still occur, we both know that NFL players would be lining up out the door to take it and we wouldn't be hearing "well if I take it, I could still get injured so Why Bother?" If players are in fact not getting vaccinated because "why bother if I can still get it" that's Stinkin' Thinkin'. You can wear a seatbelt and still get injured or killed in a car accident. Smart to wear it anyway because overall, the risk of death is decreased and the risk of serious injury is significantly lowered. You don't get polio, measles mumps or rubella because *drumroll* near universal childhood vaccination in the US makes exposure to any of these diseases rare, not because all 3 of those vaccines provide perfect immunity upon exposure. Any chance you can stop beating this drum now? It's not the first or second or third time you've made similar statements and had them addressed.

I think @SCBills was speaking of "Buffalo South" in other words, Miami

Oh, Man. I can't keep track of that Soap Opera, but I don't think he was facing suspension when Belichick signed him. I thought it was when the allegations that eventually led to his suspension came up, that NE cut him loose.

Yeah, it started out with the blowout second loss. If you care, look up thread starting here Prolly not worth it

Good question! Perhaps the NFLPA members involved in the negotiation were good with it, but then got a lot of pushback from other players

I feel that we're looping here. Perhaps read a sequence of posts?

One more time....the first match up with KC: Allen was playing in a linebacker brace. Brown was playing injured - he had been out the week before, he was out the week afterwards, and he was Q for the game. Knox was out - he may not be "all that" but at TE he is our starter Feliciano was still on IR Ford was Q the previous week and played (but was clearly hampered) against Tenn and KC before going out for the next 2 games Milano was returning too soon from a torn pec, playing with a linebacker brace, and struggling to tackle Tre' White had been out the previous week, was Q for the game Levi Wallace was on IR TBH, I think all the injuries we had in that first game kind of worked against us because I think they lulled the coaches into a mindset that we would have done better if we had all our guys closer to full health, so they may not have focused on needing a different approach.

Interesting!

Do you make similar excuses for the Bills losing the AFCCG "in which their entire WR corps was hampered by injuries?" Welp, then. I'll take a decade of that kind of success!

Again, I haven't found the full NFL regular season protocols, but the pre-season NFL protocols I linked clearly state that swab-based RT-PCR through Bioreliance or POC Mesa tests at the facility will be used, and that they will switch to saliva when the sensitivity and selectivity are shown to meet <5% thresholds.

Well, there was this, although the season had started: https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/lamar-jackson-is-regressing-and-the-ravens-are-struggling-because-of-it/ar-BB1aB70C

It's possible that cost of testing is a driving factor. I'm sure it's a consideration - money always is - but there are ways to mitigate the cost. So I think it's a reasonable guess it's not the main factor. I think it's a good assumption that the NFL wants to keep the product on the field and maximize its quality, meaning they honestly do want to minimize the number of players on the Covid-19 list and minimize for how long they're out. It's very much not in the NFL's interest to have unchecked spread within the facility, therefore it's not in the NFL's interest to have infected people wandering about the facility potentially causing spread. Tests will have false positives. Players and staff who are only testing 1x/week and who are asymptomatic or pre-symptomatic may go undetected and expose someone else. My best guess would be that the NFL hired a consulting group of modelers, and their model at this time indicates that the risk of losing players (and their contacts) to a false positive is higher than the risk of losing players to an infection from or as close contacts to, an asymptomatic or presymptomatic infected player or employee, who goes a week without testing. Models are only as good as the data and the assumptions that feed into them, so as data change, expect the model to change and the protocols to change.

Yes, it is true that coaches and FO can make mistakes - in fact, will make mistakes However, successful coaches and FO pivot from those mistakes and move on That's why Peterman lasted 1 half vs. the Chargers in 2017 (and McDermott reportedly told the team he'd made a mistake) and 1 half vs. the Ravens in 2018 That's why Fat Kelvin met the Turk partway through 2018 I'm just asking which is more plausible: That professional football talent evaluators and coaches who have demonstrably pivoted from their own previous mistakes, are for some reason, this time, clinging to a guy who is unsatisfactory at his position because "they have invested so much time", while casual dudes on a football forum have superior acumen? Or that Edmunds is, in fact, doing a better job of what McDermott expects him to do than his detractors assert? What McDermott was asked, was whether the team needed more "splash plays" or "impact plays" from Edmunds, and he said "yes" (which is not quite the same as saying he needs to play better). Later in the season, he said that Edmunds had developed some poor technique as a result of his injury and he had worked to fix it and was playing much better.

Josh Allen: "No, Never. Never. He hasn't impacted one play the whole camp."