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That'd be why he had his best games week 13 and 15 and also contributed 7 receptions for 8.1 and 12.6 y/r in the Colts and KC games? He was shot?

I would like to hope so. Davis, and McKenzie. Afraid that Beasley is going to insist on playing and aggravating his injuries instead of sitting and letting himself heal, and the coaching staff won't force it.

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Um...aren't we winning now? How would this guy put us over the top, in the games where we have not won?

I thought he meant he took the ivermectin for his current covid infection, for which the mfr, FDA, and WHO say "no evidence it's effective." OK, not cool then and I hope the NFL takes some action against him, especially since they went for my boi Lil Dirty and Beasley over being briefly unmasked. As indicated above, allergy to PEG-2000 is documented, although it's believed to be rare. It can be determined by skin test or intradermal test. It would impact his ability to receive a number of medications, some of which are fairly commonly used to treat injuries that might occur in football. Edit: given AR's now-known history of being honest and transparent, who knows what he actually meant by "allergy?"

Rodgers said "yeah" to "are you vaccinated?" and then "I've been immunized" during an August 26 interview. He said the J&J vaccine was "not an option" for him because it was stopped for blood clots "at that time". Use of the J&J vaccine was paused for 10 days (April 13-April 23) to allow records review, after which the rarity of the blood clots was determined to be 7 in 1 million in women 18-49 and rarer than that for men or women over 50. He doesn't want to get vaccinated for Covid- which is 100% his right under the NFLPA/NFL CBA. He owes no one an explanation of exercising that right. Why lie about it? That's just being a p i e less little worm, when you don't have to be. Especially don't lay claim to some kind of retroactive moral high ground for resisting "unjust" laws you lied to avoid scrutiny for instead of taking a stance.

Linky? Although I must say, Flores should "take a Memo" from this. Way to tame the press corps, LaFleur - Whip and Chair optional!

I haven't heard Aaron Rodgers say "we don't know what is in them", nor did he claim ivermectin = immunization. Am I wrong? Both the mRNA vaccines contain polyethelene glycol 2000. PEG allergy is an established "thing", which can be verified by skin prick or intradermal tests. It is rare, but possible he may have it. It would impact the person's ability to use a wide number of medications and cosmetic products as well as these specific vaccines. I don't know if he made the State Farm ads or other prohibited appearances during the season - do you? I did hear he had a Halloween party at his house and went to a party with the team, which would appear to be a protocol violation. Wonder if the NFL will try to investigate that and/or how far they'll get if they do. I'm not a "fan" of Rodgers behavior but I am trying to be fair here.

Yeah, some people were "on him" for saying that a day or 2 before he actually got jabbed but I gave him the benefit of the doubt for speaking to his intention, since he actually promptly did it. Who the hell votes for MVP anyway, is it a population wide vote or ?? I'm a little confused though - when I grew up, most everyone seemed to believe lying was Wrong. That change?

As far as "more than 1 way to skin a cat", the NFL has very specific definitions of what "vaccinated" means: https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/explainer-rodgers-and-how-the-nfls-covid-19-protocols-work/ar-AAQmGOh In addition the above does IMO a pretty good job of explaining some points that we haven't been aware of: So the league, watching pressers, has no way of knowing whether the players are vaccinated or not, that is "on" the clubs to track. Here are the league's protocols as of Aug 30 although I think there have been a few revisions since then: https://static.www.nfl.com/image/upload/v1630429861/league/fq1xlxxulwwwi0hi377l.pdf So it's pretty well defined. You can't get vaccinated with any of the vaccines approved by WHO but not FDA. Homeopathic "immunization" is also not part of the definition. Seantrel Henderson. He had Crohn's Disease. I don't recall the "right to know" posting, but I don't disbelieve you either. I do recall him being pretty open about it, partly as a public service to let people know if they had these symptoms to get checked. I agree with you, the public does not have a 'right to know'.

A number of players have stated they want to keep that information "in house" or "private" when asked. Allen is one of them. For the most part that's been respected. I don't think it's "off limits" to the press to ask, though, because of the potential impact on game availability. But the player need not answer. The NFLPA was concerned about "tells" giving away a player's vaccination status and negotiated several changes to the original NFL proposals. For example, originally players were supposed to wear different colored bracelets, and active players were supposed to mask on the sidelines during a game. Those both went away. The place where a player's right to medical privacy collides with "the public's right to know" is where it impacts the player's game availability (eg injury reports that list "ankle" or "shoulder" albeit not necessarily more), their practice status, and their game status on Friday. So when they test positive or are exposed, and the protocols dictate different actions and timelines, that pretty much becomes an unavoidable "tell".

The protocols were linked and explained up thread, with a link. Basically an unvaccinated player is out for 10 days once they test positive (unless they are symptomatic). A vaccinated player need only be symptom-free and have two negative tests 24 hrs apart to return to the facility/play. So when Rodgers was declared "out" so early in the week, it was a "tell" that he was considered unvaccinated.

I don't mean to be a p i e here, but if you're sick of hearing about it why are you in a thread that has a subject line clearly indicating its topic?

I'm sorry, but if you're still posting the same viewpoint over and over in this thread, every member of this forum (including mods) has a right to reply, and you should not expect other people to alter their behavior to accomodate your preferences, while you keep on keeping on. Control what YOU can control I say it's black and white: this is not about some kind of "cancel culture" or "mob rule", this is about Rodgers lying to the press (when he had the right to withhold the information, as Josh Allen and others have done). You want to be believed otherwise, make a case for it, including your explanation for why other players known to be unvaccinated like Cousins, or who have refused to say, like Allen, or who are unvaccinated and went on the Covid list like Lazard, do not appear to have any "mob" after them. You say "Aaron is right", explain. What is Aaron right about - that it's cool to lie (or at best, be deceptive) when asked a direct question with a specific well defined meaning by the press? That's "right" in your book, for a guy where press interactions are part of his job? That it's cool to violate your employer's rules, if that's what he's done? That's "right" in your book?

On this, I'm gonna wait until it's investigated that he actually put his teammates and co-workers at risk. He claims he followed protocols inside the facility except for pressers. Course, since his prior actions demonstrate he thinks it's chill to lie to the press, who knows? Could be lying there too. They've previously been made public, but in general, I agree with you there.

No, his health care isn't the question. The question is whether he's followed the NFL protocols relevant to his poke status, whatever it is. If they're gonna fine my boi 'lil Dirty $14k of his hard earned $$ or our man Beasley just for not wearing a mask for 5 minutes inside the facility when they shoulda, I want to feel assured that the same standards and rules are applied to Rodgers. They don't got to tell me about it, they just got to do it. That's where I am, You?

I agree on all counts. The NFL should take time and do a thorough and fair investigation. I suppose I'm a bit "preemptively pissed" in assuming there will be a "star status" effect.

How about you address some of the questions you've been asked? What is Aaron right about - that it's cool to lie (or at best, be deceptive) when asked a direct question (with a specific well defined meaning to your employer and union) by the press? That's "right" in your book, for a guy where press interactions are part of his job? That it's cool to violate your employer's rules, if that's what he's done? That's "right" in your book? Be specific, let us in on your reasoning, don't just keep chirping out "right" and "woke" and "cancel culture" like a parrot. Explain how that actually applies to this situation. What is right?

I assume you mean "did not lie about it". Agreed - compare and contrast the negative attention to other unvaccinated players who straight-up said so, or to those who straight up said "that's private and I'm going to keep it that way". Oh, wait -there isn't any

No one "tattled". What "outed" Rodgers was being declared "out" on a timeline applicable to an unvaccinated player vs. a vaccinated player under the NFL's well-known and publicly available covid protocols.

Um Ham....the question was "have you been vaccinated?" If I ask you a question and you say "yeah", then add something that is defined as a synonym but to which you personally attach a different meaning - at the very best, it's deceptive, but I think the "yeah" and the head nod make it a lie. Especially in this instance, where "vaccination" has a specific, clearly defined meaning in the covid protocols agreed to by the NFLPA/NFL. I will add that lying to the media does not mean he lied to the team, and I'm not sure the NFL considers lying to the press to be a violation of its regulations, so I'm not sure he can be fined or suspended for that

It's a bit more than that (actual video clip upthread) They asked if he was vaccinated, he nodded and said "yeah". Then followed with "I've been immunized". Even if you want to grant him some kind of hair-splitting difference between "immunized" and "vaccinated", "vaccinated" has a very specific meaning in the NFL covid protocols, which Aaron Rodgers as a player rep for the NFLPA, was supposed to have reviewed (and also seen, as part of the team training material provided by the NFL and NFLPA). Being asked "are you vaccinated?" by NFL reporters and nodding and saying "yeah" - that ain't 4D chess, that's a lie.

If the player reps didn't sign off on the Covid policy, it would have had to be revised before being implemented. It only because league policy because the reps (or a whatever majority of the reps was required) signed off on it after their objections and counter-proposals were addressed. If the player reps believed the rules were unjust or made no sense, then their moral obligation to object to them came at the point where the rules were being discussed and debated then approved and implemented. And yes, if he voted no as a player rep (or abstained) as long as he followed the rules laid out for everyone, he would have been allowed to play. But it's completely morally bankrupt to sign off on rules, say nothing about their justice or injustice at the time, say you are following rules (except for...) and then reference some sort of Moral High Ground associated with not following "unjust rules" in hindsight, after you're under scrutiny. Surely you can see that.

I have to admit that my personal respect for Cole Beasley just took a totally unexpected surge upwards. (I never supported the ***** he took on Twitter, uncalled for) Even if I find some of Cole's beliefs unfortunate, mistaken, misguided, and just plain wrong, at least Beas had the 'Nads to be up-front and straightforward about them, instead of lying, getting caught, and then trying to claim some sort of crown for "moral obligation to object to unjust rules" (that Rogders also claims he's been following). Maybe he should quote MLK saying "you have a moral obligation to lie in order to exempt yourself from following unjust rules" - Oh wait, MLK didn't say that. I did not know that, but if so, Yes, even more hypocritical. Far from objecting to "unjust rules that make no sense", he signed off on them - and NOW he brings that? Totally lame.

And I'm pointing out that you are completely incorrect in your premise. IF Rodgers is being bullied, it's not for "medical reasons" If it were for "medical reasons", then why aren't the other unvaccinated players facing any kind of media scrutiny or questions, let alone "bullying"? Has anyone directed one unkind word towards Tanner Gentry or Jake Fromm for being placed on the Covid list? Allen Lazard who is unvaccinated? Davante Adams? No, they have not. The only question I heard was one reporter asking Josh whether he thought Fromm being placed on the Covid list would have any impact on the QB room and he answered "I don't think so, because in meetings we're all socially distanced". End of story. You are bringing to attention your false narrative that Rodgers is being "bullied" for "medical reasons", when you have absolutely failed to address the cogent point: that Rodgers is not being "bullied for medical reasons", he's come under attack for 1) lying about his vaccination status as clearly defined by the NFLPA/NFL CBA 2) possibly violating covid protocols applicable to unvaccinated players under the NFLPA/NFL CBA You have also failed to make any kind of a counter-argument that he is, in fact, being "bullied" or even questioned or attacked for "medical reasons" rather than the above.