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HA! HA! Slowpoke! Just a note that Josh always wears a wristband, blue and white, for Cade...don't know if that's what you're speaking of

That's my understanding. Beane said something about it here: https://buffalonews.com/sports/bills/q-a-bills-gm-brandon-beane-breaks-down-why-no-trades-happened-at-the-deadline/article_133c1240-3d15-11ec-bfad-9b06beefe9af.html My understanding would be that Trubisky is probably vaccinated and was considered a close contact of Fromm so he's been testing....he tested positive this am (5th day) and got put on the Covid list. if he was considered a close contact of Fromm but unvaxxed, he would be on the list already; if he weren't considered a close contact but is vaxxed, I believe he would test on Monday....of course, he could be unvaccinated and not a close contact.....) Josh is either vaccinated or (vaxed or not) was not considered a close contact of Fromm. If the former, he too tested for 5 days...and now that Trubisky just went on the list, Rinse and Repeat, Josh is either vaccinated (and now tests for 5 days) or (vaxed or not) was not considered a close contact of Trubisky. Tune in tomorrow for another episode of "As Beane's Stomach Churns"

IDK, FWIW Josh said in the QB meeting room they are all distanced. So maybe not.

Well, basically, you're saying Beane isn't shooting straight when he pointed out that the Panthers waited until after Newton's 4th year to negotiate his contract, and said he'd be fine with doing that with Josh if the two sides weren't close enough. Lots of components go into "close enough" Now you could be right, nothing obligates Beane to tell us what he truly believes, but he usually strikes me as a straight shooter. He won't tell you all his truth but what he says seems usually factual. Apparently SCBills not only would, but he'd say you're foolish not to.

I assume nothing. It's possible Josh stayed far enough away from Trubisky and far enough away from Fromm that he's not considered a contact No they don't UNLESS they are vaccinated, but have been identified as a close contact of a player who tested positive - in which case, they would test every day for 5 days. Gentry and Fromm went on the Covid list Tuesday, so hopefully any contact with them occurred Monday at the latest ....but of course, if Josh and Webb have close contacts with Trubisky, as of yesterday then they test for 5 more days.....all this hypothesizing close contact occurred AND they are vaccinated. This is making my head hurt and my stomach twist, I can't imagine what it does to Beane, McDermott, and Daboll.

How would they be doing that? This is his 4th year. They picked up his 5th year option. Beane made it clear several times that they were willing to stop negotiations and wait until after the season if they couldn't agree. Not signing him before this season is hardly "basing our entire franchise" around a decision.

In his interview, Micah Hyde told us everyone knows he's the backup QB and his problems with the net drill were just he was taped as a DB and couldn't grip the ball right.

That was Weds, this is getting scary.

Do you mean "as a close contact, or as tested Covid-positive"? They don't say. But I'm fairly confident that as the backup guy, both the team and his agent would expect Trubisky to get jabbed. Which would mean "tested positive" Operational note AFAIK: Vaccinated players are, I believe, tested 1x/week on Monday. But, if they are contacts of a player who tests positive, they then test every day. Fromm and Gentry went on the Covid list Tuesday Nov 2, which means means if he tested positive, is vaccinated, and has no symptoms now he could come off the list with a negative test today and tomorrow (I think - 5 days, no symptoms, and 2 negative tests 24 hrs apart)

Fair perspective. I agree that "lack of suitable blocking" is one reason we haven't seen Breida...although one could argue that 4 yds on 4 carries is not competent RB play behind just about *any* OL - you expect a guy to at least fall forward and use his legs to gain a couple of yards. Beane historically doesn't seem to like to pick these guys up - or maybe they don't want to come to B'lo, I don't know. That would be my take, although, I'm also a bit surprised Las Vegas hasn't moved to re-sign John Brown, since he was there in camp and may know the playbook. I wonder what's going on with him physically, since I think (thought) he was a decent WR: a solid #2 or #3 option who could run all the routes smoothly but who got lost against physical bump-n-run coverage and couldn't outmuscle a guy to make the contested catch. Perhaps the Bills knew something when they released him.

We discussed this upthread. I think that rule applies only to front office (Tier1 and Tier2) staff and not to players. I think it may have been part of the original proposals and was changed. Unvaccinated players are supposed to wear masks on the plane and sit spatially distanced, but someone could hand him a mask at the doorway.

Well, this brings up an interesting point: Who do you cut to make room for an OBJ experiment? Not likely they cut Diggs, Sanders, or Beasley. So do you cut one of the cheap young guys you are trying to develop - Davis, McKenzie, Doyle, maybe one of the young guns from the D side? Does it mean Stevenson spends an entire "lost season" on IR? In the past, several (including yourself if I'm not mistaken) have been quite critical of the Bills for prioritizing roster spots for aging veterans such as 29 yr old Spencer Long over young players they could develop such as Wyatt Teller. I think there was a specific reason for that specific choice (ensuring we had someone on the 2019 roster who could play center more capably than Russell Bodine), but overall, I believe you had a valid point that the team can't completely prioritize aging veterans who can contribute now over developing cheap young players who may have superior talent.

OK, I found it here https://www.totalprosports.com/2021/11/06/video-shows-henry-ruggs-at-top-golf-hours-before-deadly-accident-rumored-to-have-had-18-shots-before-leaving-video/ 18 shots plus other mixed drinks over the course of a few hours seems like an "acute alcohol poisoning" quantity to me. I know that the top 10% of drinkers in America are said to have more than 10 drinks per day, and that binge drinkers on average drink 8 drinks per binge 18 plus mixed drinks still strains belief to me that he would still be able to move, much less "only" 0.16 BAC. Perhaps it was the bar tab for the whole party, including his girlfriends and any other friends who were there. Or maybe I'm just a lightweight (well, I actually AM a lightweight), and a guy who parties hearty can really consume that much and stay on his feet, I dunno.

Someone made the claim that some of the press conferences are being held outside. That may be true at times, but at other times - for example after Away games and at night - I don't think it is. The Bills Halloween party is a point.

Well, to be fair - the vaccine has never been touted as 100% effective, so neither vaccine nor homeopathy not working in one instance proves nor disproves effectiveness. The part I find weird was highlighted by the Packers fan video above. Here's Rodgers talking about homeopathic treatments, and saying he put together a medical team with 500 pages of documentation they submitted to the NFL. As I transcribed up thread: "I'm not disagreeing with Rodgers with his idea of this is what I felt was best for my body, that's fine.....but he talks about spending all this money putting together a medical team and what have you...and then comes out of nowhere and says he also consulted Joe Rogan. It's one thing if you're coming from a place where you're saying I'm going to do this homeopathic stuff, and this is how I'm going to treat my body. And then to throw Rogan in there, and ignore all the doctors who are countering the points that he is making, and go to a guy like Joe Rogan who last time I checked didn't have a medical degree...that to me is like "buddy, what are we doing? WHAT are we doing?" And again, it's his option, but if you're going to make the claim you're going through all the boxes, 500 pages of research (ed: from AR's personal medical team), and then go "oh now I'm talking to Joe Rogan"...I just feel that argument is undercut, just a little bit." I would say "undercut to the point where a rockfall is imminent" but that's just me.

If. Not when. If. Some people feel the Bills would not have made Josh the $258M man this season without vaxxed. I could go though the hints I see one way or the other, but there's really no point. Bottom line, it's his choice as long as he's following whatever protocols apply to him. I think we all make personal judgements and apply them to others, all the time. Even saying "don't impose your personal judgement on others" is a form of doing so from one POV. Let's not go there, and Say we Didn't.

Hmmm, you could be right....I'm unsure of the proper terminology but I think he and #43 are "mush rushing" with the assignment of containing Allen from rolling out or escaping to the R, but 21 certainly seems to have responsibility for that gap and the RB if he comes through it It's still a "Cover 0" look with no safeties and one more guy at the line than we have hats blocking.

Who are you seeing as not rushing?

Actually the funniest part about that interview was his stuff about Diggs and about Isaiah McKenzie. No doubt about it that Emmanuel Sanders is a great interview.

I mean, I'd be pissed if Josh missed a game or wasn't 100% (like D-Dawk) and it came out he wasn't fully vaccinated. That's not taking every effort you can to be available to your team under the rules (leaving aside my personal views on the societal aspects of vaccination). But logically, I would point out to myself that a player can be vaccinated and follow the NFL's protocols and still miss a game from Covid (like Davante Adams). They have exposure risk while following the protocols by eating in a bar/restaurant with family on an Away game, for example. And under their negotiated agreement, it's a legitimate choice to not be vaccinated. It would tick me off more if he made 101 excuses, blame-shifted, and critiqued as "not making sense" therefore not gonna follow, other aspects of the same negotiated agreement that gave him that personal choice to not be vaccinated, as Rodgers did.

I can't tell you the details of the blocking scheme. But this is an example of an "overload blitz". The Bills have 7 hats (maximum) available to block - TE in-line, 5 OLman, plus RB The Dolphins are bringing 8, leaving 3 DB on the WR and 0 safeties - the so-called "Cover 0" or what Allen says the Bills call "Blitz 0" In this coverage, one defender will of necessity be unblocked, plus of course whoever wins their blocking assignment or confuses the blockers by stunting. The QB knows he has to "handle" at least 1 unblocked defender. PS unlike others here, I think this was an audible to a pass play before the snap, and it was intended to be a quick throw over the middle all the way, as that strategy is a classic "Cover 0" beater. It's actually not uncommon for Daboll to have OL shifts designed to look like a run play as a disguise for his pass plays, but I think Allen knew #91 was his man and he had to get the pass off before 91 got there.

Self interest as his motivation. Rodgers is a spokesman for Prevea Healthcare. He ain't worried that "Blue Meanies" in the press and social media would tear him apart for saying he uses homeopathy or that he's unvaccinated. It might jeopardize his money-making arrangement with Prevea, which vaccinates people and offers allopathic, FDA approved medical treatments. Prevea Healthcare promotes vaccination. Prevea promotes vaccination (see above) and their CEO has done television spots about the dangers of taking ivermectin: Pretty damned hypocritical of Rodgers to take their money as their spokesman when he doesn't believe their treatments are appropriate for his own use and in fact paints them as profiteers uninterested in healing people.

It was initially reported that he had sustained a broken hip. I would call that a serious injury. To my understanding, a hip fracture almost always requires surgery, so being released that quickly would kind of preclude that being the case. He may well have had some injury that will require a period of limited mobility and a level of personal care, then I guess it's a semantics thing if one would consider it "serious" or not. I would imagine that Ruggs can afford "concierge care" with special medical privileges, in which case his care would be driven by whatever is best for him. But I could be wrong there.

I understand your main point and appreciate your information. I was responding to your comment "I suspect that many of the people clinging to A-Rod’s immunized comments aren’t really that concerned he misled reporters… it just helps them justify their anger at anyone who hasn’t gotten vaxxed." IMHO that's getting into "psychoanalyzing people as to what emotions they're feeling inside and how they're trying to handle these hypothetical emotions they're feeling inside" Again, I personally don't believe that Rodgers was really motivated by avoiding The Attack of the Twitterverse. He's been in the league for 17 years and has undergone all sorts of controversy in his time. He had an obvious self-serving motivation - to avoid scrutiny and possible "outing" to the league for violations of league protocol for unvaxxed players in his public appearances/activities.

I personally am going to leave off psychoanalyzing people as to what emotions they're feeling inside and how they're trying to handle these hypothetical emotions they're feeling inside, but You Do You. I think trending on twitter for a couple days is weak sauce as "tearing apart by venomous vaccine zealots". They said worse about Josh for longer after the draft, after the Houston playoff loss, after the AFCCG, etc. If an athlete can't handle a couple of days of trending on Twitter with people saying nasty stuff, he probably needs to stay off social media. It was a temporary kerfluffle, and died off quickly. Beasley got worse, because he went beyond his status into playing Internet Epidemiologist. I don't believe Rodgers was concerned for being savaged or torn apart by vaccine advocates. As someone I knew would say "I've been called worse by better people" I believe he was motivated by self-interest - he gave himself freedom to do stuff that would be "outed" as violations if he were known or believed to be unvaccinated. Apparently Rodgers has been filming commercials, going to parties, and doing other things the NFL's protocols prohibit for unvaccinated players. If he were known or suspected to be unvaccinated by the public, someone might rat that to the NFL. But by creating the public impression he was vaccinated, he gained freedom from scrutiny for doing those things because they are allowed if vaccinated. What I primarily feel about Rodgers is pissed off at his entitlement that as an NFL star, he is "above the rules" little people must follow and can choose which of his employer's rules to disregard. Retrospectively invoking Martin Luther King and pretending to be some sort of brave social justice warrior taking a stand against unjust employer rules when he was mum about actually trying to change protocols before they were put in place merely ices that. I'm pissed off that our guys got dinged for stuff Rodgers will likely get away with. I'm also irritated by the irony of the guy being given a 45 minute platform viewed by millions of people in which he whinges repeatedly about being canceled - while obviously, markedly NOT being canceled, by the fact of having that uninterrupted platform to say whatever he wants.