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Did Palmer specifically say that? "Avoid games like we saw in Jacksonville?" Mind sharing where and when, ideally share a link etc?

I probably agree with your conclusion, but I'm curious how you're slicing and dicing the season to get this number 10-15 times. Overall in his career so far, Josh has been a 7 rush per game guy. If we look at the last 4 games (the 4 games the Bills had to win, and won to get in, Josh ran 3, 12, 15, and 5 times. That's an average of 8.7, which is "up" from 7 rushes per game, but it's a bit hard to look at those numbers and say that those 4 wins were predicated on Josh running 10-15 time a game (when 2 were, and 2 weren't) OK, so if you're starting after NE, then we have 5 games, 12, 3, 12, 15, 5 attempts for 9 attempts per game. Again, still up - but when you have 3 games that fit one pattern, and 2 games that don't, is it really reasonable to say "predicated"? https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/A/AlleJo02/gamelog/2021/ The same holds true for the playoffs, 6 rushes in one, 11 in the other. Saying the offense was "predicated" on Josh running 10-15 times seems a weak argument when you have 4 games that fit one pattern and 3 that fit another. In general, if you have to bin almost half the data up as exceptions to your rule, you don't have a rule. I think we just overall tried to run the football a lot more - Singletary's use was up a lot at the end of the season after a 6 game stretch where he got <10 carries/game https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/SingDe00/gamelog/2021/ I completely agree that we need more OL help than we've gotten so far. I think Saffold for Williams may be an improvement in the run game, but he wasn't an improvement in the pass game last year. And more offensive weapons. So in terms of conclusion, I think we're aligned but in terms of looking at the data, not sure how you're slicing it to reach that conclusion

4.37 according to this source. https://www.nfldraftbuzz.com/Player/Marquez-Stevenson-WR-Houston So far I have to say he plays slower than his 40 time (IMO)

Dude, Stevenson "gained so much confidence" with his late-season return duties that he was literally inactive for the final game of the season and both playoff games, while McKenzie got back into the return game. He took a total of 6 offensive snaps. He had 2 fumbles (and I believe 1 or 2 muffs, in addition) Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see Marquez Stevenson turn into a player we could count on, but until he shows a little bit more, we'd better not count.

For whom though? It makes sense to move whatever draft capitol it takes when you're after core players like Franchise QB.

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Er.....did you literally just respond to a post which asserted that Beasley was a top-10, maybe top-5, slot receiver in the league (not JAG) by naming 7 guys that you think are better - and then (so it appears to me) "claiming victory" with a "don't let that stop you though"????? [Hapless looks at hands to confirm that 7 is less than 10. SMH.] And that's not even getting into a football discussion as to whether all those guys on your list are primarily slot receivers. As for the 1 or 2 seasons in that conversation - Beasley has 6 professional seasons with >10 yards per target and a career catch % north of 70%. He averaged 5 receptions a game and >50 ypg in his 3 years in Buffalo (52,66,43) As a football player, when he's been targeted, he's produced. It's highly disingenuous (and flying in the face of football facts) to imply he's a 1 year flash in the pan. Actually, I can't. If something quacks, I'll call it a Duck. But You do You.

Can't you? https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BeasCo00/gamelog/2021/ From week 1 to week 8, Beasley averaged 59 yards/game. Week 8 was the Mia game where he got speared. From week 9 to week 13, Beasley averaged 25.6 yards per game - less than half his yardage from the first half of the season. Kinda implies either he couldn't get open downfield or couldn't get downfield fast enough. When my friend cracked a rib falling on a rock, his orthopedist told him 4-6 weeks to heal. That's for the bone to knit, not for everything to be back to normal and pain free. You can't look at aggregate numbers from a season to see a pattern like that.

On the one hand, I agree. On the other hand, I think there were times this past season when the Bills were fielding dinged, less effective WR. Would we agree that there is a point for every player where "next man up" is better than "dinged starter"? I think Beasley's fierce competitiveness and desire to stay on the field sometimes put him on the wrong side of that point. I hope the latter is true but at this point "not proven" He avoided being a distraction here for 2 years (and for the most part during the season, last year) He's not the best slot in the league, but he's not JAG there either. If you don't think he's in the top 10, maybe top 5 slot WR in the league, gotta question your football chops.

Is there any circumstance in which one of the wide receivers on a football team claiming that the FRONT OFFICE (not the defense, or who is open) dictates who gets the ball, would be a helpful and productive thing for a WR to say? I dunno about toxic, but does any football fan think that's a positive, helpfl to the team, thing to put out in the media? Do you? The bit about how the WR are "getting open" is also pretty finger-pointy at the QB for not getting the ball to those wide-open WR. Again, I dunno that I'd call that "toxic", but does any football fan think finger-pointing teammates in public is healthy? Do you? To Beasley's credit, he didn't do that here. Ever. The op you're responding to said "He's never known when to shut his ***** mouth" - well, he kept his mouth shut about play on the field and his teammates for 3 years.

Yes, this definitely happened. It's part of becoming one of the "teams to beat", opposing DCs put in more effort trying to "break the code" of your offense. Another part is that when teams had no doubt in their minds that we weren't going to run, they could get pressure with 3 or 4 by abandoning gap integrity and just overloading one or the other side of the line, then just blanketing the middle of the field. I think it was compounded (even at the start of the season, when he was healthy) by Beasley being a bit slower. Given time, chances were Beasley could still work himself open but we wouldn't have time. So Daboll went to using shorter, quicker routes, but since Beasley wasn't great at RAC (and sometimes our downfield blocking sucked) those didn't get a lot of yards. It was startling to me how much quicker the crossing routes were when McKenzie was running them. Chances are, he can't - it's just his "read" on a bunch of stuff. Also likely he couldn't get very far into it without going into a stuff we ask folks to stay away from.

Again, it’s entirely possible he and the Bills didn’t know the ribs were fractured until after the season. For a hairline or partial fracture in a person with serious muscle development, the fracture can be difficult to detect. Happened to a woman I knew in college. She took a year off to hike the Continental Divide Trail with a group of friends. They had to pile into their support van to circumvent a dangerous section of trail. The guy driving the van rolled it. She was sleeping in the back on a piece of plywood placed over their boxes of food supplies. She had hella back muscles from hauling around an ‘80s style frame pack for months. X-rays were negative, but when pain persisted, she got xrayed again 6 weeks later. Turns out broken bones are easiest to detect after they start healing, so at that point it could be seen she’d actually cracked two ribs. The pain level for hairline fracture vs. heavy contusion can be similar at first as well, as I understand it

If we think Dane Jackson is not ready to start yet, why was he our primary backup such that he's started 8 regular season (6 in 2021) and 2 playoff games?

There were multiple threads at the time explaining just why Beasley became a focus of attention and drew "hate" but most other unvaccinated players - Gabe Davis, Spencer Brown, AJ Klein - did not. [Star Lotulelei is another 'special case']. If you honestly "don't understand", perhaps you weren't paying attention at the time, or you confuse "I don't agree with that viewpoint" with "I don't understand that viewpoint". Let's not reprise here and now, 'k? Search function is your friend, or you can PM me and I'll give you a synopsis. I'm not sure I agree with "all 22 does not confirm him losing a step" and putting it all on "some weird Daboll game plan" or "Daboll being stubborn". I think it was pretty clear that Beasley was slower to run those longer intermediate routes and coverage would converge when he got there. Were there changes that Daboll could have made earlier which would likely have helped, Sure. And I'm sure battling a rib injury interferes with more than diving for first downs. So who knows how much that affected all aspects of his play the 2nd half of the season. But you know what else? Maybe Beasley should consider sitting for a week or two and letting his injuries heal without 200 lb linebackers smashing him into the turf.

I dunno. We all saw the "turtling up" and can look upt the decrease in 1st downs, so I'm sure you're correct that the ribs had some effect. OTOH, the big decrease for Beasley was in YBC - from 7.5 to 4.7 YBC/R while the YAC decreased also, but only from 4.3 to 3.7 YAC/R. That accounts for a decrease from 11.8 to 9 y/reception. So I think it's probable Something Else was going on.

From what Beane has said, it sounds as though Beasley (and/or his camp) approached HIM and said, "I'm not really comfortable here, are you open to seeking a trade to somewhere I could have a fresh start?" Who knows what all is behind that, could be a lot of stuff in the community and in the locker room. Now it's possible that the Bills would have asked him to take a pay cut to say if he still wanted to be here, but from what Beane said it didn't sound as though the conversation got that far. Of course, Beane is under no obligation to give us the "whole truth" either and I'm pretty sure he doesn't 😈

Very close to the same number of targets in 2019, 2020, and 2021. 106, 107, 112. For 778, 967, 693 yards I'm confused by "didn't say 2019", thought it was your post about Beasley "declining since 2019" I responded to asking: how, if he's been declining since 2019, he had his best year as a pro by almost any WR metric in 2020. Beasley made strong contributions and was important to the team the last 3 years, and I agree that it was sadly, time for the team to move on.

Agreed on Gabe Davis video The four photos are from 2020

If Beasley was declining since 2019, how come 2020 was his best year as a pro by like, IDK, every metric?

It's not accurate as to whether he was on the injury report. It only shows if the player has a "gametime designation" such as "questionable" And, I've found numerous inaccuracies and omissions. A relatively inaccurate part of an overall great site. It also doesn't show Covid list absences.

Yes he did. 2nd Miami game (and I See What You Did There)

Buffalo Rumblings is incorrect. Beasley was on the injury report starting Week 8 vs the Jags and for several weeks after that (through week 12 IIRC) He was on the injury report almost every week before and after that for a "Vet Rest" DNP The stated reason was (wait for it): Ribs Except that they aren't PS I learned from a college classmate that if a person has strong musculature, it's possible for hairline fractures of the ribs to not show on x-ray until they start healing.

Hmmm, for a bunch of potential locations, "A River Runs Through It"

That makes sense, Thanks. I hadn't noticed that Bates tender had come off the cap. Of course, we don't yet know how the deal we have to match is structured, so we don't know what the cap hit we need for Bates is. I hear you, but I haven't followed in detail what the Bills are doing internally. OverTheCap shows us as having ($49,120) cap with Star as a $7.7M dead cap hit. OTC doesn't seem to track the "small stuff" (signing bonuses for the guys who are pushed below the top 51 or small dead cap hits) as well as Spotrac, either, but that's the point, if Star is counted as a pre-June 1 hit, we don't have $3.8M free cap, we have negative cap at this point. I suspect the Bills have made 1 or more internal moves that are not reported in public yet.