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Wait a minnut, is this the Game Week thread for a game a 7-5 team will be playing tomorrow? Or is this a draft thread?

That has been said, but not publicly confirmed by Star that I've seen. PEG allergy is a real thing, so that's possible. and pro football players may be more aware of it than others because some of the medications commonly used to treat football injuries contain PEG, but the J&J vaccine does not contain PEG. It's been debated here before whether Star in fact has "that condition" (a heart condition? myocarditis?), or had an improperly performed test at the combine, or had a viral myocarditis that resolved. If he in fact does have a heart condition, hopefully he is taking advice from his cardiologist and not the Interwebs. I could be wrong, but I don't believe there are many players left Beane and McDermott have experience with, nor much front office connection remaining there.

Cardiology and Covid vaccine https://www.acc.org/latest-in-cardiology/ten-points-to-remember/2021/09/03/14/37/myocarditis-with-covid19-mrna Myocarditis With COVID-19 mRNA Vaccines. Circulation 2021;144:471-484. 1. The overall rates of myocarditis/pericarditis after the second dose of mRNA vaccines for COVID-19 are approximately 12.6 per million doses in individuals 12-39 years of age. (note: that's 0.00126%) 7. The risk-benefit assessment appears to continue to favor vaccination, even for patients in the highest risk group for myocarditis. For example, in males aged 12-17, in which there have been 56-69 myocarditis cases per million doses, those vaccines would be expected to prevent 8,500 COVID-19 cases, 183 hospitalizations, 38 intensive care unit (ICU) admissions, and one death. For older males (24-29 years), the 15-18 myocarditis cases would be compared against 936 hospitalizations, 215 ICU admissions, and 13 deaths. 9. Myocarditis after vaccination has generally been mild, with almost all patients having resolution of symptoms and signs and improvement in diagnostic markers and imaging with or without treatment. Because of these data, the American College of Cardiology recommends vaccination for patients with cardiac conditions. If you have a clotting or cardiac condition, the best thing is to discuss risks and benefits fully with your cardiologist/hematologist.

So there are two disadvantages. 1) preparation for this week. it's already done, on a typical schedule - now coaches have to decide how they will extend the schedule to Tuesday. Football players are creatures of routine, with a weekly routine designed to key the scheduled date they'll play. Normally if the team has extra time, they give the players a mini-bye at the start of the week (as with Thurs then playing the following Sunday). 2) preparation for next week. Thursday games are a disadvantage because the team only has 4 days to re-set and re-boot. Playing Tuesday, then the following Sunday, is a similar disadvantage.

LOL where do you get this stuff? First you claim "he made Christian Ponder servicable for the Vikings" Then it's pointed out Dorsey never coached for the Vikings, now somehow a brief 2011 off-season stint at IMG supposedly made Ponder "serviceable" - so servicable he completed 54% of his passes and threw as many picks as TDs in 2011. Methinks this came from the same place that your misinformation about McDermott growing up in the USC area therefore would be wanting that job. Gamer83 gaming us. This, for sure.

Unfortunately he talks too much too often for me to have the stomach to comb through and find it. Thanks though

I dunno about ignorant, but they're being resistant in what seems an illogical way "We can not fight what we can not see"

Did I miss where they just announced daily testing for all? 'Cuz it's a cute response, but I don't think Beasley was advocating for everyone to mask at all times, stay socially distant while eating, not have visitors on road trips etc.....and the one thing he did advocate for (daily testing) .....the NFL is refusing to do

Ha! Or fleas. Yeah, especially with 1x/week testing Oh boy this gets complicated, but is Mongo enough better at LG to be worth benching Boettger and maybe playing Ford? And is Mongo at RG better than Ford at RG? Personally I'm not a fan of a Ford-Williams right side

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/12/17/donald-parham-says-hes-all-good-and-will-come-back-better-after-scary-concussion/

That's sort of like saying "I fully secured my property......I did everything but lock the doors!"

Did I miss this up-thread? Notable is that AJ Epenesa has popped up on the injury report with an Ankle injury and has a game status of "Questionable" Lotulelei is still "Limited" and also "Questionable" for the game. Allen has no game status, nor does Jerry Hughes So that's almost 1/4 of the league right there. Why don't they just make them league wide and beat the rush? (Apparently one feature is daily testing)

They're not being transparent about their criteria. Stills (NFL CMO) has said all fall that they are not seeing "intrafacility spread", so the inference is now they are, and they need to implement last year's protocols and give the situation in the affected facilities time to sort out. But at this time it's "Trust me, We're Fair" from the NFL Speaking as a fan of the team that got flexed to Tuesday when we were supposed to play the following Thursday: My Nose Bleeds for you, Slay.

So what the NFL actually said was: The reason for the postponement is "medical considerations", with an outbreak of vaccinated players from a novel, highly contagious variant I actually kind of think that's a Good Thing? It could imply that the talks were being driven by the NFL's medical team and they brought the data and a recommendation to the Commish at the end.

Do you have a linky about those talks? Because I've heard a lot of fan supposing about it, but nothing from the league or a league insider I'm not disbelieving you but if it's happening, I'd like to know what's being said

According to McDermott the teams get a Monday session to bring up "any questions we may have about the officiating" I've actually wondered if Diggs has considered perforating his undershirt and jersey. If it tore and came off in the DB's hand, that would kind of be embarrassing for the ref if they didn't call it.

I suspect this is a "Gateway drug" to a general Covid discussion, but since we're working within the "we're talking about football" framework: The thing about Point 2. is "what long term side effects there may be of getting infected with a novel virus?" Equally true that if an athlete has a long term side effect of the virus (say, if Tommy Sweeney's myocarditis didn't resolve), it could end his career. Even a guy like Dawkins, where he's still on the field but perhaps playing hampered -- - if this were his "contract year", I think it's fair to say he'd not be getting the same Payday.

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New pre-print (not yet peer reviewed) paper on Omicron immunity. Seems to be solid work. Bottom line: Omicron evades immunity from both prior infection, and vaccination, even with 2 doses of mRNA vaccines, and if you received 1 dose of J&J might as well have injected water. Best results are vaccination plus prior infection; upthread some data that a booster of one of the mRNA vaccines substantially raises immunity. https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.12.472269v1 Summary. "RBD" = receptor binding domain, where the Spike protein binds to the ACE2 receptor to get inside the cells. Key figure: (Figure 2). Click to embiggen. They took plasma from infected, recovered individuals and from vaccinated individuals, and looked at the ability of their antibodies to neutralize different variants of Sars-CoV2, the virus that causes Covid-19. mRNA-1273 is Moderna, BNT162.b2 is Pfizer, AZ1222 is AstraZeneca, Ad26Cov2.s is J&J. The first thing to notice is there's a pretty big spread in each condition. That's very typical; the human immune system is highly variable. Looking at the variability, to my eyeball I'm not sure Pfizer and Moderna are different on a "statistically significant" level, but it's pretty clear they're different from convalescent or J&J or Sputnik. The second thing to know (and this is very important) is that neutralizing antibodies are only one aspect of human adaptive immune response. T cells are another. Neutralizing antibodies are less effective, which means infection may still occur, but the rest of the adaptive immune response may still protect against severe infection. "Fully vaccinated" people (by the current definition) are getting infected with Omicron quite readily, as are people who have had a prior infection with an earlier strain. So far, the infections in these people are mild, but "pump the brakes" on saying that Omicron will universally be mild in all populations - we just don't know yet, and as outlined up-thread, even if it causes 10x or 100x fewer serious disease, if it is more infectious it can result in a larger overall number of very sick people.

Bottom line up front: It's not fair. But the difference is, the other teams have played through occasional cases apparently brought in from outside. These are apparently outbreaks within the team, spread within team facilities by vaccinated players. The only way to stem that is press "pause" for those teams. As a result, the NFL will make further changes to the Covid protocols, not necessarily sufficient changes, and teams which suffer outbreaks after those changes probably won't get the same consideration. It sucks, and it's not fair, but It Is What It Is.

Didn't Tennessee start Hart at LT in one W and give him most of the snaps in another W? 🤔 I'm going to guess by then the NFLPA will say "No". But neither of us know.

I can't freakin' keep track. Who are those 7 teams?

OK, I'm going to loop back here. Evidently it was the Browns fault over the sequence of events. -the Browns are in "enhanced covid protocols" -teams in "enhanced protocols" are supposed to test everyone, daily, first thing -the Brownies didn't "get the memo" somehow that they were supposed to test daily, so they let everyone in and let everyone practice -then their only choice was to test after practice ("They" in the above tweet is the Brownies)

So the NFL's investigation concluded that no, the Titans didn't lie or not follow guidelines in a major way - that the info to not practice outside the facility had not been communicated clearly to the players and that's why they got together outside the facility. It was also the first outbreak, and the NFL changed a lot of their protocols afterwards (required masking and improved ventilation/barriers in the coach's boxes, for example). Now whether that's true or not, can't tell you. https://apnews.com/article/virus-outbreak-nfl-tennessee-titans-minnesota-vikings-football-52e8fd0470d9b701634b567dcfa11926

This is from 12:45 pm. So saying decision within the next hour, by 2 pm.