thebandit27

I think it's pretty clear that the hand/wrist issue was bothering him considering that he had 3.5 sacks in the 7 games before the "clean-up procedure" and 7.0 sacks in the 9 games that followed it.

From that link, using the 2nd method, the No. 44 pick (where Kouandjio was selected) has almost exactly a 50% chance of busting.

Yeah, he can't walk--he'll be a RFA after this season.

Did I just read a really long post that equates PFF's ranking of the Bills' 2014 OL as some type of justification for the statement that the Bills' 2015 OL wasn't good? They lead the NFL in YPC (with or without QB rushing stats) and were in the top-10 in QB hits allowed, despite blocking for a QB that held the ball longer than any other starting QB in the NFL. http://www.scout.com/nfl/bills/story/1671762-tyrod-taylor-had-most-time-to-pass-in-nfl I don't mean to beat a dead horse here; there's simply no support for the idea that the OL wasn't good, let alone that they were bad. True, Orton wasn't that bad. I think his final 4 games left a really bad taste in a lot of people's mouths, one that was punctuated by his wimp-out slide on 3rd-and-2 against Oakland. While I was happy with the pursuit of both Bulaga and Boling in the last 2 offseasons, as we've seen repeatedly throughout the league, the OL is a bit-part in comparison to certain skill positions nowadays.

Wentz has both offsets and a deferred portion of his signing bonus; this is quite common. Bosa's side is exaggerating at best, flat-out lying at worst.

Jameis Winston was the #1 overall pick last year, and he got both offsets and a deferred bonus payment. Carson Wentz got both this year as well.

They would have to pay all of his guaranteed bonus money if they traded him, which means they'd have to pay upwards of $14M against the cap. Not going to happen.

I believe they will, yes. It also wouldn't surprise me if they cross-trained a guy like Mills, for example (since I think he's probably the best fit of the 3) at guard, so that they have some flexibility in their game day roster. EDIT: apparently Mills played some guard as a freshman to, so that's a possibility. Note that I only mention this for game day flexibility, as I don't think I want to see Mills converted to guard full-time. I think there's value, however, in having a contingency plan in place if you lose 2 OLmen in the same game.

They can't trade him--that deadline has elapsed.

Oh, I've got one to add... "Delish" Really? That extra syllable at the end of the word is just too much for you?

If the team is to be believed, then they did compromise on deferral of guaranteed money. I was leaning slightly toward being in Bosa's corner on this one, simply because the team picked him, and not the other way around. Now, I'm swinging the other way, because they've reportedly offered him the cash flow that he wants. Really, what this comes down to for me is that the entire freaking contract is guaranteed. The more I think about it, the more upset I get with a 21-year old kid (and his representation) for hurting himself and his team over issues that are incredibly unlikely to affect him long-term. That's not to absolve the team in this; they have no excuse for dragging their feet on getting this done for as long as they have. It's been a very, very poor approach to negotiation, and they are responsible for making the discussions contentious. That they would take the step of putting out a statement to the media crying about it shows me that they still don't get it. And that's where we are: stupidity all around on this one. Nothing, however, rankles me more than when I see Bosa's college position coach telling me that he's "dying to play". No, he's not. If he's "dying to play", then he can put pen to paper on his fully guaranteed contract that will pay him millions before he's ever played a snap and get out there with his teammates. He doesn't want to do that (regardless of whether one feels he's right or wrong, that's undeniably the truth), so he's clearly not "dying to play".

Carson Wentz has offset language: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/05/12/carson-wentz-signs-contract-that-includes-offset-language/ "Per a source with knowledge of the situation, Wentz is signing the four-year deal presently. The Eagles secured a verbal understanding from Wentz and Jared Goff before making the trade to No. 2 in the draft that either player would agree to offset language if they become Philadelphia’s pick. Both players indicated that they would accept that term."

The team is asking for standard practice; Jameis Winston's deal had offsets and $6M in deferred money (got paid in March of '16). http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2016/08/09/joey-bosa-san-diego-chargers-contract-holdout-nfl-training-camp "For what it’s worth, last year’s top overall pick, Jameis Winston, had offset languageand $6 million of his signing bonus deferred into the subsequent March." Perhaps I'm over-simplifying, but if the #1 (and #2) overall pick in the previous draft can have both offsets and deferred bonus money, what's Bosa's problem?

Yes, yes you could. Cash flow and offsets are the only negotiating terms; everything else is basically already set. I see absolutely no reason--on either side--that a holdout should happen these days.

I agree with both of you. Both sides are silly. Neither side has any business expressing confidence in themselves if they're hung up on offsets.

It's a moot point, as Bosa can no longer be traded. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/08/09/window-closes-on-potential-trade-of-joey-bosa-in-2016/

If that's true, then Bosa is a total idiot. Opinion or #scoop?

Literally This almost always means "figuratively", which is the exact opposite of "literally". "That literally blows my mind." No, no it doesn't.

Tankersley is restupidous. He reminds me a lot of Gilmore actually--he still needs to get his awareness up and not get his hips turned the wrong way occasionally, but it's all there.

Meh--he's never once put any ounce of effort into the preseason.

I think that what you may mean, and please by all means correct me if I'm misinterpreting, is that the OL isn't overly talented, which is a statement with which I'd agree. Roman's scheme plays to their strengths for sure, but he can't make them execute properly. So yes, Roman's scheme helps tremendously, and the OL was quite good as a result of their ability to execute that scheme.

Nope--the rule was applied correctly. If a player is touching OOB, and the ball touches that player, then the ball is dead.

This is a myth. I've posted the stats before, but I'll do so again for the context of your discussion with Kirby... http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/185916-bills-working-on-extensions-for-gilmore-maybe-tyrod/page-11?do=findComment&comment=3944423 When you remove QB rushing yards for every team from the equation (to normalize the data), the Bills rank 6th in the NFL in total rushing yards and 1st in yards/carry. They also allowed the 10th-fewest QB hits in the NFL: http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?seasonType=REG&offensiveStatisticCategory=OFFENSIVE_LINE&d-447263-n=1&d-447263-o=1&d-447263-p=1&d-447263-s=PASSING_QBHIT&tabSeq=2&season=2015&role=TM&Submit=Go&archive=false&conference=null&defensiveStatisticCategory=null&qualified=false The OL was not only not bad, they were, in fact, very good. The biggest reason for the team's high percentage of 3-and-outs is that the QB struggled with his intermediate passing game. Some of that is inexperience (which presented itself in his inefficiency to get off his 1st target, his relative failure to see the middle of the field, his quickness to abandon clean pockets out the back instead of climbing to safety, and his league-worst snap-to-release time), some of it is a lack of quality receiving targets with short-area quickness (Sammy and Shady have it, but were primarily used in other roles).

Yes, Keion Carpenter knocked David Patten out cold. It was, unfortunately, the correct call. It was 2001-2002--the year Brady took over for Bledsoe and the Pats beat the Rams in the Super Bowl IIRC. EDIT: Yep, it was... https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2001/12/17/ruling-david-patten-fumble-helps-patriots-beat-bills/Q15dQ696eN1xN4VZ887edI/story.html

What an idiotic statement...this is the exact reason I never read their stuff. If you want to make a point, then go ahead and make it using the available fodder at your disposal. There's no need to fabricate a completely false statement in an effort to get fans riled up and on your side. It completely undermines the rest of the talking points.