JESSEFEFFER

Did you check out the link I gave above in post #5? On that webpage there is a video of some of his Kohl's camp punts in a semi competition with Marquette King of the Raiders. Also, in the section ................ Kohl's Workouts Attended National Elite Camp - (Free Agent/College athletes) - July 18-20, 2013 Results Tampa, FL - Pro/College Training Camp - Jan. 27-28, 2013 ......... the results link is to the stats he compiled while winning their competition/evaluation. Arkansas punter Dylan Breeding (Redskins FA signing) came in 2nd. About 25% of his Harvard kicks were inside the 20 and his net average is close to 40. He is definintely, imo, a challenger for Moorman's roster spot.

The kid has some talent. Here's my link of interest (watch the video) maybe it's the same as previous post via a different route. http://kohlskicking.com/nfl-profile/jacob-dombrowski If he can handle the directional kicking aspect, I think there's a great chance he'll win the job.

I read somewhere that he was the first Titans QB to post 3 consecutive games with a 100+ passer rating. The Titans managed to win only one of those. My thought was always that he was a better QB than he was as a passer. It's no coincidence that the best football many of his teammates will ever play was with Fitz as their QB. This applies to CJ, Freddie, SJ, Chandler and ther rest of their noname receiving corp, and guys like Urbik, Levitre, and Pears. In situations that require him to totally rely on has passing ability, he is more than likely going to be the first to fail, which is often in a clutch setting such as NE II and the Titans games in 2012. Yes, he can be a gunslinger in a shootout but "Boot Hill" is most likely his final resting place. QBs that are truly terrible never even make it into the shootout. I like the guy and I think he is the type of QB that can be a good template to build an offense around until someone more talented can step in and take over. If he has some success with the Texans, I'm ok with that, as long as it's not against the Bills. Note to Andre Johnson: Fitz will force the ball to you enough for you to have a good season. I doubt SJ ever sees 1,000+ yards again.

The Bills only lost 12 which is not bad and probably closer to middle of the pack. 7 of the 32 were credited to Leodis which seems to indicate that they are counting a muffed punt as a fumble, (of which he only lost 1.) I don't recall him having a problem handling the ball but, then again, I wouldn't think much of a mishandled punt that he dropped at his own feet, picked up and made a return.

Alex Smith, Drew Brees, Peyton Manning, maybe Carson Palmer. Teams move on from veteran QBs with nice NFL resumes all the time. Maybe it's injury, or salary cap numbers, or a new GM wanting to start over. Before there was only the draft in terms of building a roster. Now, due to the salary cap and free agency, there are other options.

Also, consider this. With the 41st pick the Bills traded down to 44 and got the extra 5th. These became Kouwandjio and Richardson. These two players give them a chance to have a better starting offensive line this year along with better depth. In this regard having the 4th best OT prospect this year is better that the 1st or 2nd OT next year. The "bird in the hand > two in the bush" philosophy. I prefer this one: The value of a nail now versus a box of them later: For want of a nail the shoe was lost, for want of a shoe the horse was lost, for want of a horse the knight was lost, for want of a knight the battle was lost, for want of a battle the kingdom was lost. So a kingdom was lost—all for want of a nail. -JLA: The Nail

Picks in future drafts are generally discounted. Maybe its better to say that picks in a current draft have more value. Whaley obviously believes it as he wanted to retain their 2014 picks and managed to keep them out of the trade.

I think many people overestimate the value of a 1st round pick. because they overestimate the value of the draft. Salary cap restraints mean that free agency is a much more legitimate part of building a team. Less money devoted to rookie contracts = more money for free agents. Due to the way contracts are designed, some pretty good players get cut during training camp. Yeah, the Bills blew the Maybin pick but I think most would agree that trading for Hughes pretty much negated that mistake. Hughes was everything they could have hoped Maybin would be. Mel Kiper has made a career out of covering the NFL draft and having opinions about it. It's probably a VERY lucrative one considering that there is no real penalty fro being wrong, unlike the real scouts and GMs. I think the spectacle of the draft is such that fans do the same. This is all to say that surrendering a 1st round pick is not a franchise killer. There are other means to getting a new QB for 2015 other than a top 10 pick, if they so desire and the new QB will have Sammy Watkins, Robert Woods, Marquise Goodwin and maybe Mike Williams to throw to and what will probably be an upper echelon o-line to protect him.

But you are forgetting that this was an all-in move by the Bills so if EJ fails, Sammy Watkins, no matter how good he is, can no longer be on the roster and the next QB they bring in won't be able to throw to him. I think I heard that somewhere.

Then there are the <1% of "fans" that would rather be right than see their team succeed. Some psych student should do a thesis on them.

It also points out that EJ's play wasn't really what cost them the close games. EJ played poorly when the rest of the team was getting handled (this is true for most all QBs) and he was rarely the guy that made the critical mistake that prevented the team from winning the close games. It was often some critical drops/fumbles, poor special teams coverage or defensive collapse that ultimately did them in. It might be a good sign that with all that was lacking in EJ's game, the games were not ultimately lost due to his gaffes.

Some more Shawshank wisdom. That movie is on all the time and I have to watch at least some part of it at each chance.

If the Bills had the first pick in this draft apparently they would have taken Sammy. So that 1800 in the formula could be a 3000 or 2600 from the perspective of how they valued the player. They paid a market price based on where they took him. So if they evaluated him correctly then they made out fine.

I have the same opinion and I figured out why. Have you seen the movie ROB ROY? He looks like Tim Roth's Archibald Cunningham. A truly despicable, cocky little runt that made my skin crawl. I will never know him so in the absence of any real familiarity with him he becomes Archibald Cunningham in my mind. Maybe by the time the Bills play the Browns I'll have figured out how to post a Manziel/Roth picture for the look-a-like thread.

I have read only 3 pages of this so my input may be redundant. But....... 1) Nix said prior that he wanted to have a QB inplace prior to his retirement. 2) Nix said that the QB class was better than many were saying and that they had "identified" a player worthy of their pick. 3) Post draft Whaley was talking to a media group? season ticket holders? Bills Backers? inside a suite at the Ralph and raved about EJ's having the "it" factor and how he stood out when he entered a room. He also joked that if he was wrong about EJ then he'd be among the group in the near future rather than speaking to it-- clearly meaning that he expects his job to be riding on the pick. 4) Stories post draft mention how thoroughly EJ was scouted, including speaking to a caretaker at FSU's stadium. If I recall correctly . a group went to visit FSU that included Brandon and Marrone. This was very much an organizational effort as they will all succeed or fail based on their collective belief in this guy. If they are willing to stake what is likely to be their professional lives on him then I'm ok with giving him at least 3 years. EJ's rookie year (10 games ) was much like Joe Flacco's ( 16 games ) aside from the missed time. That's normally what rookies look like regardless of whether they ultimately succeed or not.

Much of what became the "Bickering Bills" label was the result of big egos, both young and old, deflecting blame and pointing fingers. Jim Kelly was point man for a lot of this. On his show, Thurman identified "Quarterback" as one of the problem areas on the team which , I think, spoke to this issue. One of the things I liked about Fitz was that he shouldered all the blame, warranted or not. He rightly believed that doing so was his responsibility as a leader and that it would allow his teammates to play without the burden having been "called out." It takes a lot of emotional maturity to do this. Mother-in-law to newlywed daughter-in-law: "I think my son should really start dating again. In fact, bigamy is a realistic option. I have recommended it to him."

It is unprecedented to draft 1st round QBs in back to back years. For TG to suggest that he thought this was a good idea is an insult in the 2nd degree. For EJ to sarcastically offer a "thank you" to him for his opinion as he was being pried away was about the best response possible. It's almost like handling a heckler while speaking in public. There are very few great options.

I am not a fan of pass catchers with abnormally high drop rates as drops often are the equivalent of turnovers. I prefer a large TE talent that can be an asset in goal line / short yardage run formations (where the Bills stunk and Marrone said they had a plan to improve.) Said TE should be a great blocker and excel at catching the ball above his head against man coverage underneath. This does not sound like Ebron to me.

Words of wisdom from Mike Holmgren. I just where that wisdom was when the Browns drafted a 28 year old QB in the first round.

I like the NFL network. They have commentators that can explain why a pick was made even when they don't personally agree with it. ESPN guys have to protect their egos to the point of having a tantrum.

My brother-in-law, who would retire after 30 years in the Marines as one of their highest ranking noncoms, was flying home from Oklahoma City and, upon seeing the rather new at the time list of banned items, remarked to his fiancee, "I guess we should have left the lawnmower home." After being detained and strip searched they missed their flight and had to take a later departure. My brother-in-law is a funny guy and the TSA people do not appreciate a sense of humor

Normalized meaning one number divided by another. Comp% (completions normalized to attempts) TD%, INT%, Yds/game, YPA, sack%, etc. Flacco hasn't missed a start which is commendable. He gets alot of credit from me in that regard. Taking hits in the NFL is like being in a car wreck once a week. Answering the bell for 96 starts + 13 playoff games is not a fluke. Here's hoping that EJ's injuries were.

Neither Flacco or E Manning won the SuperBowl in their rookie year. They both won it in year 5. EJs rookie year looks alot like Flacco's. The big difference is 10 vs. 16 games played. The first 3 statements are facts. The last is an opinion. I am not a homer or a doubter. I am a "wait and seer" which is the only sensible place to be. Making definitive conclusions based on little to no evidence is rather foolish, imo.

I am not excluding anything. Read the 2nd paragraph. That's my assessment. Joe Flacco's overall ability, much like Eli Manning's, has been the subject of much scrutiny amongst their interested observers. Given their 2013 seasons I suspect the doubters have gotten their 2nd wind.

The normalized production of EJ's and Flacco's rookie seasons are vitually identical. As far as 2013 goes, Flacco returned to rookie/EJ-like production once again in what was his sixth year. I do not think Flacco is elite nor is he on a HOF path. I doubt he can justify that contract he received espcecially since Baltimore had to purge their roster to accomodate it. He has held the starting job for 6 years (and not missed a game) and been good enough to get a consistently good team to the playoffs multiple times. Winning it all was surprising to me but Ozzie Newsome is generally credited with being one of the best organizational talent evaluators in the NFL and Flacco did not screw it up when they got their chance. So, using Joe Flacco as the standard for EJ is not really setting the bar too high, imo.