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We often talk about the "eye test" and my "eye test" assessment of Josh is he has done things in ways that I have never seen from a QB prior to him. The hurdle play for instance. Never seen it over a mostly upright defender who happens to be 6'5". The throw to Zay Jones in the back of the end zone that Josh makes off his back leg but without his front leg planted. That is a jump pass off of a rollout that goes 30+ yards. That's the throw a SS makes from the hole to second base but his throw is a blur of a football. The stiff arms of defenders who can't even get their hands on his torso, let alone make a tackle. Defenders do not run him down from behind. It's one thing to say a player is athletic. It's another to put together dozens of plays from only 11 games of action that fall into the realm of "never seen it done like that before." He even manages to run QB sneaks in ways that stand out. So I think Baldinger's statement about being more athletic than every other NFL QB is spot on.

That's not his take. He is showing how that athleticism allowed him to beat defenses when the protection failed. How he made great throws from tough circumstances. But you do you.

Don't think this video has been linked previously. He is definitely impressed by what Josh has shown. These clips mostly feature what Josh did when the protection broke down. Why-Josh-Allen-is-an-elite-athlete-at-QB

I am trying hard to remember but I do not recall Josh having any red zone TO's and the majority of TD runs were, of course, "red zone plays." So I'd think his actual red zone production would be pretty solid for a first year guy lacking a bona fide, go up and get it, red zone target. His passer rating would totally miss the quality and quantity of his red zone runs. So, I suspect, the "horrific in the red zone" statement is probably not supported by anything.

Forget about the 40 time. I'd rather measure the top end speed. Having great or poor sprinter starts has little meaning in football.. No one does that in a game. Every one plays by shifting gears into a full out sprint. I'd want to know how fast a player moves in top gear. Put the equipment on and give them a ball.

Whatever it takes to get to Jordan Palmer a.s.a.p. he should make the investment. My impression of him as an athlete is that he is gangly rather than fluid, doesn't show much physical toughness, and is not nearly a finished college QB. The transfer flirtation is odd and now the draft declaration indicates that he is either listening to the wrong people or maybe that he had some problem with the UB coaches. I would like to see him do well but there is a long way for him to go before that can happen.

I do not think he can do anything of substance until his legal situation is resolved. Google search said his next court date is 1/28. We still do not have the details of what he was doing there or what his intent was, if any. On the face of it, it did not seem malevolent just knuckleheaded. I suspect he will try again, it's just a matter of where that will be. He is no longer eligible for Last Chance U.

Maybe a shotgun snap over his head that he managed to retreat to cover?

He also talked about wanting to throw the ball out of the stadium as an exclamation point, TD celebration. The tunnel end has the scoreboards and the administration building in the way so he thought better of it. The NFL has a fine of over $6k for throwing the ball into the stands so any of us could argue that appeal. The money goes to a retired players charity so Howard and Jeremy were promoting a future GoFundMe effort and warning signs outside the stadium in the areas the ball might land.

If you sit anywhere near the frontside of a speaker inside the stadium, you'd probably want it gone.

In rollouts to the right, I can think of 3 times where he was intercepted just prior to going out-of-bounds and it seems like most of his throw aways happened that way. I can think of two almost TDs against the Vikings and Dolphins both were to Ivory but he really wasn't throwing those balls to his right. More likely to have rolled right and run it in for a TD than having passed for one. As a matter of fact, if they didn't ignore his rollouts or at least isolate them, I'd think these stats would be a meaningless mess.

Player agents and adjectives like slimy and shady go together. I think they have more media connections and are more likely to manipulate public opinion for the benefit of their client.

I intentionally did not study the QB class although I knew the Bills would take one. I saw no point to having a favorite and then the Bills either having no chance at him or, worse yet, having a chance and taking someone different. So, I kind of understand where the Rosen people are coming from. The Josh is raw talk was like deja vu with "EJ is like a ball of clay." The NFL has no patience for QB sculpture and I am not sure there was/is the right coaching in place to develop him, so I was somewhat skeptical. Watching him play, seeing how he carried the offense, being shocked by how his size and athleticism has stood out against NFL defenders, feeling that he has improved in obvious and quantifiable ways, I think the Rosenites need to give it up. He's our guy.

So many plays that I've never seen made by a QB in the NFL before. The normal running QBs are small, typically point guard types. Josh is more like Magic Johnson. A physical mismatch in any situation. That TD against the Jags from a collapsed pocket was stunning. It looked like the ball had no chance to come out, that he actually got hit during the release and the ball still was on target 40+ yards down the field. Stiff arms, hurdling, breaking tackles, pylon leaps from 15 feet away. He almost broke a QB sneak for big yardage, maybe a 60+ TD. He probably will do that at some point in his career. Btw, I don't remember him failing on a sneak. Over the top with arms extended or plowing strait ahead for 4 yards or more. Doing these kinds of things in the NCAA against the rest of the MWC is one thing but the way his athleticism, size and strength flashes against NFL talent is stunning. I really don't blame Kiko for the penalty. It makes total sense and was predictable. The guy had been chasing Josh for 7 quarters of football and never caught him, often with attempts that bordered on embarrassing. I told my brother that if Kiko ever did catch him he would try to make him pay but he still missed him other than with the secondary leg whip. Anthony Barr was posterized 3 times by Josh. He probably felt the same way. His o-linemen better get used to defending him because defenders take exception to being humiliated.

Lockport native and former HC at UTEP. Denver had a great running game with rookie Lindsay this year. I like your idea.

Jim Kelly was the most dangerous defender on the field after he threw a pick. After all he was probably the first guy to see it happen. I remember him breaking a guys leg on a tackle and a close line on another play. Josh made the hit at the goal line after the int along with taking a violent chop at the ball that almost connected in time.

So if not Cam then who? Who is his legitimate comparable. They are both starting NFL QBs so I say they are both "apples." I'd say Josh is a maybe a Cortland and Cam is more of an Empire.

And I'll add this. Why is Josh Allen an accurate, effective QB throwing to Foster and a terrible QB throwing to Benjamin? What is the biggest variable there? Hint: it's not the play calling, the protection, the QB's ability, the weather or anything other than the quality of the receiver. That's two wildly different conclusions about the same person that is nearly 100% dependent on to whom he is throwing the ball.

In 2016, Cam Newton's 5th NFL year, arguably his worst, he had numbers that are very comparable to Josh's rookie numbers. I don't know why I can't copy/paste here without it coming out a mess but that's a different problem. Similar completion %, Y/A and W/L%. Cam threw more often but with both focused on attempts further down the field. Josh has run more often and more successfully. What does this mean? If Cam had kept that up, he'd have been replaced by now. If Josh doesn't improve he'll be replaced as well. My expectations are based on the belief that human beings are rarely great at their jobs the first year in. They either have the capacity to get better or do not. They either improve in important, quantifiable ways or fail. Imo, Josh has that capacity in terms of physical ability, competitiveness and attitude. The Bills need to take care of the peripherals but I see a guy with every bit of the talent needed in all the meaningful areas. But then again, I really detest timid, gutless QB play and may be too eager to be high on the future of a physically gifted 22 year old QB who is neither timid or gutless.

I also remember, often a flawed endeavor, a crucial intentional grounding call on JK for throwing the ball out the back of the endzone. You don't see that call made very often in any era. The instructional phrase "throw to the cheap seats" is incompatible with a potential penalty. Well, I just did a search on this and could not find a clip or reference to it, so maybe it is flawed in this case.

He started with the USFL and then Tampa Bay.

I am ok with what he has done. His athleticism stands out amongst NFL talent which is not a small thing. His accuracy looks good when the ball is out on time and thrown in rhythm. He can extend plays better than most but the accuracy seems to suffer the more off script the play becomes but the coverage can breakdown and big plays come too. He is far more than a "parody of an NFL prospect" as someone said. Some of his turnovers are really bad but often follow his having done something extraordinary like dragging Melvin Ingram for 15 ft. You can't expect him to know what he can or can't get away with until he tries and fails. It's all about how much he can grow his game but that is true of any rookie QB.

Doug Marrone pulled the plug on a 2/2 2nd year QB who had just been terrorized by JJ Watt in a game that could still have been win at the end in favor of Kyle Orton who had no upside and really offered no added production, imo. Marrone planned to use that season and his out clause to leverage the new ownership into increased organizational power and he did not want the plan scuttled by the up and down play of a QB with less than 15 career starts. He preferred the certainty of the so-so play of a veteran QB who was a finished product and had been there and done that.

I get the point-of-view as it is sort of mine as well. I hope we hear the Shout song lots as my son views it as a highlight of attending. Instead of special teams meltdowns, how about some obvious, egregious blown calls. We all like to rip the officials anyways and it absolves the coaches and players of goat status.

I am with you on your thoughts towards the Foster threads. These route breakdowns were excellent and showed how the Bills' offense is evolving and really putting pressure on the coverage, especially the saftey in "single high." I feel like I learned something here and can't say that too often about the content I view here. Man there is space open all over the field. They should show this film to a prospective FA TE and ask if he thinks he can exploit that coverage.