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So many plays that I've never seen made by a QB in the NFL before. The normal running QBs are small, typically point guard types. Josh is more like Magic Johnson. A physical mismatch in any situation. That TD against the Jags from a collapsed pocket was stunning. It looked like the ball had no chance to come out, that he actually got hit during the release and the ball still was on target 40+ yards down the field. Stiff arms, hurdling, breaking tackles, pylon leaps from 15 feet away. He almost broke a QB sneak for big yardage, maybe a 60+ TD. He probably will do that at some point in his career. Btw, I don't remember him failing on a sneak. Over the top with arms extended or plowing strait ahead for 4 yards or more. Doing these kinds of things in the NCAA against the rest of the MWC is one thing but the way his athleticism, size and strength flashes against NFL talent is stunning. I really don't blame Kiko for the penalty. It makes total sense and was predictable. The guy had been chasing Josh for 7 quarters of football and never caught him, often with attempts that bordered on embarrassing. I told my brother that if Kiko ever did catch him he would try to make him pay but he still missed him other than with the secondary leg whip. Anthony Barr was posterized 3 times by Josh. He probably felt the same way. His o-linemen better get used to defending him because defenders take exception to being humiliated.

Lockport native and former HC at UTEP. Denver had a great running game with rookie Lindsay this year. I like your idea.

Jim Kelly was the most dangerous defender on the field after he threw a pick. After all he was probably the first guy to see it happen. I remember him breaking a guys leg on a tackle and a close line on another play. Josh made the hit at the goal line after the int along with taking a violent chop at the ball that almost connected in time.

So if not Cam then who? Who is his legitimate comparable. They are both starting NFL QBs so I say they are both "apples." I'd say Josh is a maybe a Cortland and Cam is more of an Empire.

And I'll add this. Why is Josh Allen an accurate, effective QB throwing to Foster and a terrible QB throwing to Benjamin? What is the biggest variable there? Hint: it's not the play calling, the protection, the QB's ability, the weather or anything other than the quality of the receiver. That's two wildly different conclusions about the same person that is nearly 100% dependent on to whom he is throwing the ball.

In 2016, Cam Newton's 5th NFL year, arguably his worst, he had numbers that are very comparable to Josh's rookie numbers. I don't know why I can't copy/paste here without it coming out a mess but that's a different problem. Similar completion %, Y/A and W/L%. Cam threw more often but with both focused on attempts further down the field. Josh has run more often and more successfully. What does this mean? If Cam had kept that up, he'd have been replaced by now. If Josh doesn't improve he'll be replaced as well. My expectations are based on the belief that human beings are rarely great at their jobs the first year in. They either have the capacity to get better or do not. They either improve in important, quantifiable ways or fail. Imo, Josh has that capacity in terms of physical ability, competitiveness and attitude. The Bills need to take care of the peripherals but I see a guy with every bit of the talent needed in all the meaningful areas. But then again, I really detest timid, gutless QB play and may be too eager to be high on the future of a physically gifted 22 year old QB who is neither timid or gutless.

I also remember, often a flawed endeavor, a crucial intentional grounding call on JK for throwing the ball out the back of the endzone. You don't see that call made very often in any era. The instructional phrase "throw to the cheap seats" is incompatible with a potential penalty. Well, I just did a search on this and could not find a clip or reference to it, so maybe it is flawed in this case.

He started with the USFL and then Tampa Bay.

I am ok with what he has done. His athleticism stands out amongst NFL talent which is not a small thing. His accuracy looks good when the ball is out on time and thrown in rhythm. He can extend plays better than most but the accuracy seems to suffer the more off script the play becomes but the coverage can breakdown and big plays come too. He is far more than a "parody of an NFL prospect" as someone said. Some of his turnovers are really bad but often follow his having done something extraordinary like dragging Melvin Ingram for 15 ft. You can't expect him to know what he can or can't get away with until he tries and fails. It's all about how much he can grow his game but that is true of any rookie QB.

Doug Marrone pulled the plug on a 2/2 2nd year QB who had just been terrorized by JJ Watt in a game that could still have been win at the end in favor of Kyle Orton who had no upside and really offered no added production, imo. Marrone planned to use that season and his out clause to leverage the new ownership into increased organizational power and he did not want the plan scuttled by the up and down play of a QB with less than 15 career starts. He preferred the certainty of the so-so play of a veteran QB who was a finished product and had been there and done that.

I get the point-of-view as it is sort of mine as well. I hope we hear the Shout song lots as my son views it as a highlight of attending. Instead of special teams meltdowns, how about some obvious, egregious blown calls. We all like to rip the officials anyways and it absolves the coaches and players of goat status.

I am with you on your thoughts towards the Foster threads. These route breakdowns were excellent and showed how the Bills' offense is evolving and really putting pressure on the coverage, especially the saftey in "single high." I feel like I learned something here and can't say that too often about the content I view here. Man there is space open all over the field. They should show this film to a prospective FA TE and ask if he thinks he can exploit that coverage.

Clay probably could not track that ball as it was a bullet on a low trajectory and he has just cleared the defender and the ball is almost there. Face it, having an arm like that means that Josh can beat the defense anywhere on the field but also means his intended targets get less time to track and adjust to the ball and will have more difficulty actually catching it. Learning when it's not necessary to drill the ball to the target and instead it's better to lead the receiver into an open area with a touch pass that is easy to track and lands softly is a lesson that experience will teach. I thought our receiving corps looked much better when catching Matt Barkley's soft tosses, for instance. Also, we as fans tend to ignore a play the DB makes on the ball. If a DB gets a pbu on a play, we shouldn't view it as a "drop." Since we want the ball caught regardless of the circumstances, it tends to get recorded in our collective memories as another "*^%&$^%# dropped ball instead of "credit to the defender."

I walked into Vic's barber shop in Stallings, NC a few years ago and there was a poster of the Electric Company on the wall. Turns out Joe D lives near there and used the same barber.

Supposedly this is true only of the NFL's passer rating formula. Supposedly, ESPN's Total QBR looks at every play in its comparable context and has some regard for clutch play. Maybe it's the result of a meaningless fumble on a 4th down play that did not gain enough for a first down, one bad sack (really poor block by Mills, I think Josh was rolling to avoid A but got sacked blindside by B who Mills didn't even slow down) and an almost interception? I suppose those were his three worst plays.

I don't believe that for 3 reasons. 1) The predraft belief that Whaley would be gone after the draft and he was only still there because he and his staff had done all the prep for it and he was the one with connections to other draftrooms. 2) The widely held narrative that McDermottt was calling the shots. and 3) That it is usually up a newly hired GM to take the shot at a new franchise QB not the lame duck GM that failed on his attempts.

Fans generally felt good about this game. No need to look for the glass half full analysis to cheer us up. Some claimed to like it more than the previous 3 (which TQBR really liked. ) I just find it odd that Stafford was considered better by such a wide margin and, umm, the Lions lost.

Those two numbers in context say that Matt Stafford had a much more positive effect on the Lions behalf than Josh did for the Bills. That's a statement that is unsupported by the game I watched.

The passer rating formula has some huge flaws in that it does not account for the effect of QB run plays, sacks/ lost yardage and fumbles lost. Basically everything a QB does when the ball doesn't leave his hand. All of these are plays that can have a huge effect on the outcome of a game. Enter Total QBR. Anything that attempts to quantify a QB's production in all situations should be better in my mind and I generally would think favorably of such an approach. Most of us saw yesterday's game, it's safe to assume. I have heard some comment about how much they liked how Josh played as it was more of a conventionally played game from the pocket with few obvious mistakes and a number of impressive throws. He took one sack, had an inconsequential fumble on an unsuccessful 4th attempt and made some big plays to help win the game. Here's the thing. His total QBR was 19.6, #27 on the week. What's an even bigger head scratcher is Matt Stafford was rated #2 at 81.5. That's not the same game I sat and watched from section 228. This could be exhibit A for those of you who have been saying that QBR is a bunch of crap and you now have my attention.

I was at Tavern on the Tracks in Charlotte, NC with my wife as were there for a potential relocation visit. I doubt there is a better Bills Backer Bar anywhere else in the USA.

That run reminds me of Alan Alda's portrayal of George Plimpton's TD in the movie Paper Lion. Classic.

This idea has kicked around awhile and I say I'm keen on it. Think how many times Gentry caught an Allen throw in their time together. His hands are probably trained to do it. He is used to the power and he probably knows not to quit on his routes and where to be on a scramble. Get him on the active roster and see if there is any chemistry there to exploit at this level. Logically there must be something there to justify the experiment. Gentry is 6'2' 200+ so he is not small.

Anthony Barr and now Kiko. Josh Allen is the cause of much LB film room embarrassment.

With all due respect, we have no idea what the actual play call was. What Josh managed to turn it into was way off script but damn close to a win on a totally busted coverage.

A baseball analogy I see is when a slugger takes a big swing but makes contact with the ball outside the sweet spot. Based on the launch angle the outfielder may tend to stay deep or even drift toward the fence but then realize it was mishit and then suddenly try to reverse direction toward the ball. It's tough to overcome the misread and the false steps. The Bills receiving corp has probably learned to get and stay deep on his broken play throws because Josh Allen has a uniquely powerful arm. That flutter ball which traveled 50 to 55 yards was tough to read and react to. Blame shared equally, imo.